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Chicapah
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Topic: Is the hall of fame anti-prog? Posted: March 14 2006 at 15:14 |
After reading today about the most recent induction of bands into the rock and roll hall of fame I have to ask.... Is freaking Blondie more deserving than Genesis? Or Lynyrd Skynrd more deserving than Yes? Both Genesis and Yes get constant airplay on the classic rock stations and they've certainly been around longer than the required 25 years so what gives? As far as I can tell Pink Floyd and Zappa are the only proggies in the hall. Come on, the musicianship of the Sex Pistols in comparison to that of Jethro Tull? Don't make me laugh!
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eddietrooper
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Posted: March 14 2006 at 15:18 |
Unfortunately it's not only the Hall of Fame that is anti-prog. it's the majority of music business.
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Posted: March 14 2006 at 15:26 |
'Tis indeed a travesty, and I think eddietrooper just about summed it up.
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salmacis
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Posted: March 14 2006 at 15:27 |
I wouldn't hold the Hall Of Fame in any great regard myself- it accounts for music that is basically 'hip' and 'trendy' so bands that have contemporary relevance and influence, or have been namedropped over and over (New York Dolls, Velvet Underground, Clash, Ramones etc.). I think Black Sabbath were up for induction not so long ago, but prior to Ozzy's sudden (and imo, HIGHLY dubious...) renaissance into the public eye they were a bit of a joke for years, which shows up such 'halls of fame' for what they are. It's a doctrine that tells us what music is 'acceptable' and I'd avoid like the plague.
I don't think such attitudes can last too long now though- only an absolute fool would really deny that prog is having some kind of resurgence; the likes of Muse, Mars Volta, Coheed and Cambria and latterly Porcupine Tree have achieved such plaudits and sales that the genre can't be revisionised or airbrushed any more.
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Chicapah
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Posted: March 14 2006 at 15:38 |
I feel that the hall of fame will represent the music of my generation a hundred years from now whether we think it's relevant or not and I'd like to think that my great-grandchildren will be able to know that groups like Genesis, Yes and ELP were huge influences in the industry. At least as much as ZZ Top!
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Space Dimentia
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Posted: March 14 2006 at 15:58 |
Well Black Sabbeth were inducted last night from what I heard with Metal'sell out, only in it for the money now'lica presenting the award and covering some songs, Led Zeppelin is there, ok not prog in the way most people thing of prog but they had an experimental side and are thus in the archives, plus ahem Pink Floyd are in there so teh msuic biz is not that much anti-prog at least there are a few bands there flying the experimental/prog-rock musical flag
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Posted: March 14 2006 at 16:02 |
Chicapah wrote:
I feel that the hall of fame will represent the music of my generation a hundred years from now whether we think it's relevant or not and I'd like to think that my great-grandchildren will be able to know that groups like Genesis, Yes and ELP were huge influences in the industry. At least as much as ZZ Top! |
Or that Beethoven guy!
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Posted: March 14 2006 at 16:06 |
Yes. No Rush. No Yes. No Genesis. They obviously don't consider Pink Floyd a prog band, so I wouldn't argue that point.
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Ridge
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Posted: March 14 2006 at 16:15 |
I don't care for the rock and roll hall of fame any more that I would care whether a Prog artist receives a Grammy. They are just popularity contests IMHO.
Anyways do we really want to see Yes or Genesis next to the Bee Gees? C'mon!
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Posted: March 14 2006 at 16:18 |
Ridge wrote:
I don't care for the rock and roll hall of fame any more that I would care whether a Prog artist receives a Grammy. They are just popularity contests IMHO.
Anyways do we really want to see Yes or Genesis next to the Bee Gees? C'mon!
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Posted: March 14 2006 at 16:19 |
Ridge wrote:
I don't care for the rock and roll hall of fame any
more that I would care whether a Prog artist receives a Grammy. They
are just popularity contests IMHO.
Anyways do we really want to see Yes or Genesis next to the Bee Gees? C'mon! |
ooo, nicely put!
I was shocked to hear what artists WERE in the Hall of Fame and then to hear which weren't...
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Posted: March 14 2006 at 18:55 |
eddietrooper wrote:
Unfortunately it's not only the Hall of Fame that is anti-prog. it's the majority of music business. | Sad but true...Why do you hate us so much music business...?...well, I hate you too...
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Posted: March 14 2006 at 19:02 |
Better create our own PROGRESSIVE HALL OF FAME!
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Posted: March 15 2006 at 07:11 |
Chicapah wrote:
After reading today about the most recent induction of bands into the rock and roll hall of fame I have to ask.... Is freaking Blondie more deserving than Genesis? Or Lynyrd Skynrd more deserving than Yes? Both Genesis and Yes get constant airplay on the classic rock stations and they've certainly been around longer than the required 25 years so what gives? As far as I can tell Pink Floyd and Zappa are the only proggies in the hall. Come on, the musicianship of the Sex Pistols in comparison to that of Jethro Tull? Don't make me laugh!  |
First thing, the rock n roll hall of fame has squat to do with technical skill, its all about importance, impact and influence, which is something The Sex Pistols had a hell of a lot more of than Jethro Tull, regardless if you think Tull are better or not.
Blondie were major pioneers of the new wave movement, in doesnt matter if you dont like that genre, impact is impact, and Lynyrd Skynyrd though not to the same extent as The Allman Brothers were very important in the sound and development of southern rock, and c'mon, Genesis and Yes get nowhere near as much airplay as Lynyrd Skynyrd, Lynyrd just appeal more to the public, a tons of their songs get played on the radio while Yes have maybe 4 or 6 songs that are played from time to time such as Roundabout, I've Seen All Good People and Owner Of A Lonely Heart, hardly anything beyond that, and the only Genesis they play is the Phil Collins stuff.
I agree they have a bias against prog rock, i certainly think Yes should have been there before The Pretenders and Tom Petty, but on the other hand theres a lot more than just prog to take into consideration, and the fact of the matter is, all of those that are being inducted probably have more influence and impact than Yes, Genesis and Jethro Tull, and thats really what the hall of fame is measuring, not technical chops, if they did, they would induct guys like Michael Angelo Batio, Rusty Cooley and other technical w**ker guys who havent contributed to music in any way.
You seem to be biased towards prog the same way they are biased against it.
I suggest you be more open minded and accept that there is a lot more music out there than just prog.
Besides, im pretty sure bands like Yes and King Crimson will be inducted eventualy, once they run out of other bands to induct. ;)
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Posted: March 15 2006 at 07:12 |
Ofcourse they are like every crapy punk band that ever existed are there, and how many prog bands? Pink Floyd and...
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Posted: March 15 2006 at 07:13 |
Zargus wrote:
Ofcourse they are like every crapy punk band that ever existed are there, and how many prog bands? Pink Floyd and... |
^ Ignorant posts like this give prog fans a bad name.
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Pafnutij
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Posted: March 15 2006 at 07:20 |
Keep in mind that it's called the Rock'n'Roll Hall of fame - and progressive rock doesn't really emphasise the Rocking element.
Still, the main problem is, of course, that prog isn't cool enough 
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Posted: March 15 2006 at 07:22 |
Prog needs its own Hall of Fame 
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boo boo
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Posted: March 15 2006 at 07:23 |
Pafnutij wrote:
Keep in mind that it's called the Rock'n'Roll Hall of fame - and progressive rock doesn't really emphasise the Rocking element.
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Bingo.
I think they should lighten up and be more open minded to prog, but then again they are still open minded to pretty much every other genre, and i think too many people on this forum are not.
True that a lot of bands who should be there arent there yet, but most of the artists who have been inducted deserved it.
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 15 2006 at 08:25 |
Frank Zappa is a bit of an anomoly! I would have thought him the last artist to end up on that list.
The Hall of Fame is crammed with all sorts of crap. A difficuly genre like prog only has a few offerings that the masses are even allowed to hear with any regularity. Pink Floyd was the prog band 'for the people' Much of their fan base dont even know what prog rock is. Floyds music is uncomplicated and simply structured, so they get to represent the genre as a whole in the hall.
Although why Genesis were not entered after selling over 80 million albums, AND being accessable even in their prog days, I'll never understand.
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