Is the hall of fame anti-prog?
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Topic: Is the hall of fame anti-prog?
Posted By: Chicapah
Subject: Is the hall of fame anti-prog?
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 15:14
After reading today about the most recent induction of bands into the rock and roll hall of fame I have to ask.... Is freaking Blondie more deserving than Genesis? Or Lynyrd Skynrd more deserving than Yes? Both Genesis and Yes get constant airplay on the classic rock stations and they've certainly been around longer than the required 25 years so what gives? As far as I can tell Pink Floyd and Zappa are the only proggies in the hall. Come on, the musicianship of the Sex Pistols in comparison to that of Jethro Tull? Don't make me laugh!  ------------- "Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain |
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Posted By: eddietrooper
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 15:18
| Unfortunately it's not only the Hall of Fame that is anti-prog. it's the majority of music business. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 15:26
| 'Tis indeed a travesty, and I think eddietrooper just about summed it up. |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 15:27
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I wouldn't hold the Hall Of Fame in any great regard myself- it accounts for music that is basically 'hip' and 'trendy' so bands that have contemporary relevance and influence, or have been namedropped over and over (New York Dolls, Velvet Underground, Clash, Ramones etc.). I think Black Sabbath were up for induction not so long ago, but prior to Ozzy's sudden (and imo, HIGHLY dubious...) renaissance into the public eye they were a bit of a joke for years, which shows up such 'halls of fame' for what they are. It's a doctrine that tells us what music is 'acceptable' and I'd avoid like the plague. I don't think such attitudes can last too long now though- only an absolute fool would really deny that prog is having some kind of resurgence; the likes of Muse, Mars Volta, Coheed and Cambria and latterly Porcupine Tree have achieved such plaudits and sales that the genre can't be revisionised or airbrushed any more. |
Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 15:38
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I feel that the hall of fame will represent the music of my generation a hundred years from now whether we think it's relevant or not and I'd like to think that my great-grandchildren will be able to know that groups like Genesis, Yes and ELP were huge influences in the industry. At least as much as ZZ Top! ------------- "Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain |
Posted By: Space Dimentia
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 15:58
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Well Black Sabbeth were inducted last night from what I heard with Metal'sell out, only in it for the money now'lica presenting the award and covering some songs, Led Zeppelin is there, ok not prog in the way most people thing of prog but they had an experimental side and are thus in the archives, plus ahem Pink Floyd are in there so teh msuic biz is not that much anti-prog at least there are a few bands there flying the experimental/prog-rock musical flag ------------- Prog is music for the mind Hear your Orphaned child! Check out my bands myspace site: www.myspace.com/equinox17 |
Posted By: Firepuck
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 16:02
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Or that Beethoven guy! ------------- Kryten : "'Pub'? Ah yes, A meeting place where humans attempt to achieve advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of fermented vegetable drinks." |
Chicapah wrote:Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 16:06
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Yes. No Rush. No Yes. No Genesis. They obviously don't consider Pink Floyd a prog band, so I wouldn't argue that point. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Ridge
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 16:15
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I don't care for the rock and roll hall of fame any more that I would care whether a Prog artist receives a Grammy. They are just popularity contests IMHO. Anyways do we really want to see Yes or Genesis next to the Bee Gees? C'mon! ------------- Discipline is never an end in it self, only a means to an end. |
Posted By: Rust
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 16:18
What if they were next to Green Day? ------------- We got to pump the stuff to make us tough from the heart Its astart What we need is awareness we cant get careless Mental self defensive fitness Make everybody see in order to fight the powers that be |
Posted By: Ultaigh
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 16:19
ooo, nicely put! I was shocked to hear what artists WERE in the Hall of Fame and then to hear which weren't... ------------- 
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 18:55
Sad but true...Why do you hate us so much music business...?...well, I hate you too... ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 19:02
Better create our own PROGRESSIVE HALL OF FAME!  ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 07:11
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First thing, the rock n roll hall of fame has squat to do with technical skill, its all about importance, impact and influence, which is something The Sex Pistols had a hell of a lot more of than Jethro Tull, regardless if you think Tull are better or not. Blondie were major pioneers of the new wave movement, in doesnt matter if you dont like that genre, impact is impact, and Lynyrd Skynyrd though not to the same extent as The Allman Brothers were very important in the sound and development of southern rock, and c'mon, Genesis and Yes get nowhere near as much airplay as Lynyrd Skynyrd, Lynyrd just appeal more to the public, a tons of their songs get played on the radio while Yes have maybe 4 or 6 songs that are played from time to time such as Roundabout, I've Seen All Good People and Owner Of A Lonely Heart, hardly anything beyond that, and the only Genesis they play is the Phil Collins stuff. I agree they have a bias against prog rock, i certainly think Yes should have been there before The Pretenders and Tom Petty, but on the other hand theres a lot more than just prog to take into consideration, and the fact of the matter is, all of those that are being inducted probably have more influence and impact than Yes, Genesis and Jethro Tull, and thats really what the hall of fame is measuring, not technical chops, if they did, they would induct guys like Michael Angelo Batio, Rusty Cooley and other technical w**ker guys who havent contributed to music in any way. You seem to be biased towards prog the same way they are biased against it. I suggest you be more open minded and accept that there is a lot more music out there than just prog. Besides, im pretty sure bands like Yes and King Crimson will be inducted eventualy, once they run out of other bands to induct. ;) |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 07:12
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Ofcourse they are like every crapy punk band that ever existed are there, and how many prog bands? Pink Floyd and... ------------- 
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 07:13
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^ Ignorant posts like this give prog fans a bad name. |
Posted By: Pafnutij
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 07:20
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Keep in mind that it's called the Rock'n'Roll Hall of fame - and progressive rock doesn't really emphasise the Rocking element. Still, the main problem is, of course, that prog isn't cool enough |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 07:22
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Prog needs its own Hall of Fame |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 07:23
Bingo. I think they should lighten up and be more open minded to prog, but then again they are still open minded to pretty much every other genre, and i think too many people on this forum are not. True that a lot of bands who should be there arent there yet, but most of the artists who have been inducted deserved it. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 08:25
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Frank Zappa is a bit of an anomoly! The Hall of Fame is crammed with all sorts of crap. A difficuly genre like prog only has a few offerings that the masses are even allowed to hear with any regularity. Pink Floyd was the prog band 'for the people' Much of their fan base dont even know what prog rock is. Floyds music is uncomplicated and simply structured, so they get to represent the genre as a whole in the hall. Although why Genesis were not entered after selling over 80 million albums, AND being accessable even in their prog days, I'll never understand. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
I would have thought him the last artist to end up on that list. Posted By: Rosescar
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 08:37
King Crimson had a very big impact; several people say bands such as Pink Floyd (!), Genesis, Yes etc. began changing their style after ITCOTCK. ------------- http://www.soundclick.com/rosescar/ - My music! "THE AUDIENCE WERE generally drugged. (In Holland, always)." - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 08:46
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Hmm, dont hear much Crimson influence on Floyd but i might be wrong. Traffic have been inducted, so they are not completely biased against prog. |
Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 09:04
Allow me to clarify. I'm not saying Blondie, Lynyrd and the Sex Pistols don't belong because I truly appreciate their huge influence on trends in music. What I am saying is that there seem to be a blind spot in the commitee's vision when it comes to progressive rock. If a certain talented sports figure is kept out of a particular hall of fame because some of the voters don't like the team he played on that would be considered wrong in every sense of the word. And not including the aforementioned prog groups ain't right. I have a very diverse love of many genres of music (I still listen to three dog night from time to time for Chrissakes!  ) so I would never belittle significant groups like ZZ Top or non-rock performers like Miles Davis. I'm just saying prog belongs!------------- "Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain |
Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 10:58
And another thing!! Wouldn't it be great to go view Wakeman's mirrored cloak or Gabriel's foxhead mask or Emerson's rotating hammond organ on display?  ------------- "Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 05:11
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Well actualy, i think they have some of those on display at the hard rock museum. |