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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2006 at 15:46
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

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if a band sings about how they would like to mutilate, kill and eat people, it would certainly be worse if they meant it, don't you agree? and maybe I am just a softie, but if it is meant humorous, it doesn't appeal to my kind of humor

Only a very small percentage of all brutal metal/hardcore bands are actually promoting aggression and violence in their lyrics - rather the reverse. And I think that virtually no *progressive* brutal metal/hardcore band promotes violence. Of course you have to analyze the lyrics as carefully as you would normal prog lyrics ...

Whether the majority passively promotes aggression or not is open to debate - let's put it this way, rather: whenever I pass someone in an extreme metal t-shirt, the thought of being robbed or assaulted by that person never crosses my mind. And just as with any other genre, the characters of extreme metal musicians vary - from madmen like Euronymous (R. I. P.) to open, friendly and good-natured people like the musicians of Cannibal Corpse, Krisiun, extreme metal drummers like Derek Roddy, Tony Laureano and Flo Mounier or the late Dimebag Darrell (R. I. P.) of Pantera and Damageplan fame. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2006 at 17:09
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

BTW: Try out Ephel Duath (in particular: their album Painter's Palette) for an excellent example of a progressive Grindcore band. Well, they're post grindcore really ... but in the vocal their origin still shows quite dominantly. In their case I think that it really works.

You don't have the album? Well, create an account with www.emusic.com, install their Download Manager ... and download their album for free as part of the free trial! I created my account a few days ago and I love their selection of music, especially the really weird albums and the tons of live shows.

Thank you very much !!! I'm not a fan of metal but this is very original music !!! I downloaded it couple hours ago.. Have to listen it more to giwe my total impression, this is pretty complex music !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2006 at 17:11

When I see all these bands with symbols of inverted crosses on their albums it does become a bit disturbing. The one member of the band Deicide even has an upside down cross carved on his forehead. Iīm not even a Christian and I still find it disturbing. Another bizarre thing is that they only seem to attack Christianity but donīt seem to have the balls to attack other religions like Islam probably because of fear of what will happen to them.

Imagine a Prog band with a vocalist with a carved Inverted Cross on his forehead LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2006 at 05:32
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When I see all these bands with symbols of inverted crosses on their albums it does become a bit disturbing. The one member of the band Deicide even has an upside down cross carved on his forehead. Iīm not even a Christian and I still find it disturbing. Another bizarre thing is that they only seem to attack Christianity but donīt seem to have the balls to attack other religions like Islam probably because of fear of what will happen to them.

Imagine a Prog band with a vocalist with a carved Inverted Cross on his forehead LOL

Mmmmm, that would be Jon Anderson    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2006 at 06:13
Originally posted by Dr Know Dr Know wrote:

When I see all these bands with symbols of inverted crosses on their albums it does become a bit disturbing. The one member of the band Deicide even has an upside down cross carved on his forehead. Iīm not even a Christian and I still find it disturbing. Another bizarre thing is that they only seem to attack Christianity but donīt seem to have the balls to attack other religions like Islam probably because of fear of what will happen to them.

Imagine a Prog band with a vocalist with a carved Inverted Cross on his forehead LOL

Glen Benton's inverted cross is not disturbing, it's just stupid. And it's still nothing compared to what Iggy Pop used to do on stage, for example.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2006 at 06:22
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

if a band sings about how they would like to mutilate, kill and eat people, it would certainly be worse if they meant it, don't you agree? and maybe I am just a softie, but if it is meant humorous, it doesn't appeal to my kind of humor

Only a very small percentage of all brutal metal/hardcore bands are actually promoting aggression and violence in their lyrics - rather the reverse. And I think that virtually no *progressive* brutal metal/hardcore band promotes violence. Of course you have to analyze the lyrics as carefully as you would normal prog lyrics ...

Whether the majority passively promotes aggression or not is open to debate - let's put it this way, rather: whenever I pass someone in an extreme metal t-shirt, the thought of being robbed or assaulted by that person never crosses my mind. And just as with any other genre, the characters of extreme metal musicians vary - from madmen like Euronymous (R. I. P.) to open, friendly and good-natured people like the musicians of Cannibal Corpse, Krisiun, extreme metal drummers like Derek Roddy, Tony Laureano and Flo Mounier or the late Dimebag Darrell (R. I. P.) of Pantera and Damageplan fame. 


oh, how could I forget! these brutal songs are all about dainty maidens picking daisies on a meadow with grazing lambs prancing happily all around.
but seriously: if these songs are NOT about aggression and violence, then there is a serious dichotomy between the music and the lyrics.
I must admit what mostly annoys me about this brutal music is something completely different which may have to do with modern production methods. even when the music is at its loudest, it all seems wonderfully clean and not "dirty" at all. I much prefer the "muddy" sound of earlier productions. I just don't like a bass that is hard and heavy and sounds as if it just came from a dry-cleaner


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2006 at 06:33
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

if a band sings about how they would like to mutilate, kill and eat people, it would certainly be worse if they meant it, don't you agree? and maybe I am just a softie, but if it is meant humorous, it doesn't appeal to my kind of humor

Only a very small percentage of all brutal metal/hardcore bands are actually promoting aggression and violence in their lyrics - rather the reverse. And I think that virtually no *progressive* brutal metal/hardcore band promotes violence. Of course you have to analyze the lyrics as carefully as you would normal prog lyrics ...

Whether the majority passively promotes aggression or not is open to debate - let's put it this way, rather: whenever I pass someone in an extreme metal t-shirt, the thought of being robbed or assaulted by that person never crosses my mind. And just as with any other genre, the characters of extreme metal musicians vary - from madmen like Euronymous (R. I. P.) to open, friendly and good-natured people like the musicians of Cannibal Corpse, Krisiun, extreme metal drummers like Derek Roddy, Tony Laureano and Flo Mounier or the late Dimebag Darrell (R. I. P.) of Pantera and Damageplan fame. 


oh, how could I forget! these brutal songs are all about dainty maidens picking daisies on a meadow with grazing lambs prancing happily all around.

Then the maidens draw their chainsaws and rip the guts first out of the lambs and then out of each other, yes.


but seriously: if these songs are NOT about aggression and violence, then there is a serious dichotomy between the music and the lyrics.

John Coltrane's "Ascension"... what's so 'ascension-like' about a bunch of guys basically spitting their lungs through their horns and trumpets and the piano/bass/drums section whacking the hell out of their instruments... even if it is supremely logical from the structural point of view. In the top ten of the most aggressive albums ever, and yet it's called "Ascension". And it's hardly the only spiritually-inclined aggressive album.

I love that album, BTW, it's as brutal as a lick from one of those million-kilometer flames pouring out of the sun and intensely spiritual as well.

I must admit what mostly annoys me about this brutal music is something completely different which may have to do with modern production methods. even when the music is at its loudest, it all seems wonderfully clean and not "dirty" at all. I much prefer the "muddy" sound of earlier productions. I just don't like a bass that is hard and heavy and sounds as if it just came from a dry-cleaner

OK.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2006 at 06:46
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

John Coltrane's "Ascension"... what's so 'ascension-like' about a bunch of guys basically spitting their lungs through their horns and trumpets and the piano/bass/drums section whacking the hell out of their instruments... even if it is supremely logical from the structural point of view. In the top ten of the most aggressive albums ever, and yet it's called "Ascension". And it's hardly the only spiritually-inclined aggressive album.

I love that album, BTW, it's as brutal as a lick from one of those million-kilometer flames pouring out of the sun and intensely spiritual as well.

"Ascension" does not necessarily mean "Ascension to Heaven"; Coltrane may just as well describe the toil and labor of ascending a very steep mountain



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2006 at 06:53
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

John Coltrane's "Ascension"... what's so 'ascension-like' about a bunch of guys basically spitting their lungs through their horns and trumpets and the piano/bass/drums section whacking the hell out of their instruments... even if it is supremely logical from the structural point of view. In the top ten of the most aggressive albums ever, and yet it's called "Ascension". And it's hardly the only spiritually-inclined aggressive album.

I love that album, BTW, it's as brutal as a lick from one of those million-kilometer flames pouring out of the sun and intensely spiritual as well.

"Ascension" does not necessarily mean "Ascension to Heaven"; Coltrane may just as well describe the toil and labor of ascending a very steep mountain

... at the top of which there is release - not that the release was significantly different from the ascension itself. 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2006 at 06:53
Gentle Giant - Betcha Thought We Couldn't Do It


I remember playing it once at maximum level on my jukebox (I'm insane,what can I do?) and the edge of the windows starting to shake than crack (just a little)......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2006 at 07:06
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

John Coltrane's "Ascension"... what's so 'ascension-like' about a bunch of guys basically spitting their lungs through their horns and trumpets and the piano/bass/drums section whacking the hell out of their instruments... even if it is supremely logical from the structural point of view. In the top ten of the most aggressive albums ever, and yet it's called "Ascension". And it's hardly the only spiritually-inclined aggressive album.

I love that album, BTW, it's as brutal as a lick from one of those million-kilometer flames pouring out of the sun and intensely spiritual as well.

"Ascension" does not necessarily mean "Ascension to Heaven"; Coltrane may just as well describe the toil and labor of ascending a very steep mountain

... at the top of which there is release - not that the release was significantly different from the ascension itself. 

 

And the choice of the title can't have been coincidental - sure, 'ascension' could also mean 'climb' here, but whereas 'ascension' has religious connotations, 'climb' doesn't. Christ's ascension was a moment of wonder, clarity and serenity, not toil. I think Coltrane's wasn't really different.

Oh, and BTW, you do like to play "Diablo", don't you?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2006 at 07:20
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

John Coltrane's "Ascension"... what's so 'ascension-like' about a bunch of guys basically spitting their lungs through their horns and trumpets and the piano/bass/drums section whacking the hell out of their instruments... even if it is supremely logical from the structural point of view. In the top ten of the most aggressive albums ever, and yet it's called "Ascension". And it's hardly the only spiritually-inclined aggressive album.

I love that album, BTW, it's as brutal as a lick from one of those million-kilometer flames pouring out of the sun and intensely spiritual as well.

"Ascension" does not necessarily mean "Ascension to Heaven"; Coltrane may just as well describe the toil and labor of ascending a very steep mountain

... at the top of which there is release - not that the release was significantly different from the ascension itself. 

 

And the choice of the title can't have been coincidental - sure, 'ascension' could also mean 'climb' here, but whereas 'ascension' has religious connotations, 'climb' doesn't. Christ's ascension was a moment of wonder, clarity and serenity, not toil. I think Coltrane's wasn't really different.

Oh, and BTW, you do like to play "Diablo", don't you?


I am not sure that celestial ascension is something quiet and serene; to me it has a lot to do with ecstasy.

and yes, I do like to play Diablo 2. in Diablo 2 I can symbolically cut to pieces those I would like to cut to pieces in real life but can't because of the ridiculous laws


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2006 at 07:45

^ I play Counter-Strike: Source and I guess that it could be seen as a way to project my real life aggression towards harmless "targets" ... but I never project real life persons onto the nameless opponents that I fight in that game. If I do then it must be on a subconscious level ...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2006 at 23:59
Does Sonic Youth count?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2006 at 12:14

Originally posted by arnold stirrup arnold stirrup wrote:

Does Sonic Youth count?

I guess they're kind of noisy. so sure why not.

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