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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2006 at 16:33
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Originally posted by yeppp yeppp wrote:

The noisiest album all time got to be Masonna-Frequency Lsd !!!! It's pure NOISE.. No melodies or anything traditional. I'm not so Fan of the "Noise " Genre, but i find some Merzbow albums pretty intresting, He's a classic.

I have Merzbow's Pulse Demon, it's awsome, but I have to take breaks between songs lol. It is deffinitely easier to listen to Anal c**t than it is to listen to a lot of noise haha. Do you listen to Sunno)) at all or any drone? that stuff's pretty cool

Glad to see the nice reaction here :). Between the Buried and Me I was gonna say, probably belongs on these archives haha, their last album, was totally prog. You guys deffinitely like some awsome stuff. For people who want some really sick (but great) sh*t I recomend Circle of Dead Children, some of the sickest grind ever.

And who up there said Mayhem doesn't make sense? Do you not agree with their views, or in cannabalism or burning down churches? well, me neither really, but I think Mayhem are great. De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas is an essential for anyone who listens to black metal. Speaking of black metal I just recently started listening to Xasthur, that sh*t is awsome. They rule at atmosphere.

I know from reading Metal Maniacs that Xasthur is a one-man band (Malefic), but what does the music sound like?  I've heard all sorts of superlatives, but what's the brass-tacks, take home message?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2006 at 16:54
Originally posted by sbrushfan sbrushfan wrote:

Originally posted by helofloki helofloki wrote:

Originally posted by yeppp yeppp wrote:

The noisiest album all time got to be Masonna-Frequency Lsd !!!! It's pure NOISE.. No melodies or anything traditional. I'm not so Fan of the "Noise " Genre, but i find some Merzbow albums pretty intresting, He's a classic.

I have Merzbow's Pulse Demon, it's awsome, but I have to take breaks between songs lol. It is deffinitely easier to listen to Anal c**t than it is to listen to a lot of noise haha. Do you listen to Sunno)) at all or any drone? that stuff's pretty cool

Glad to see the nice reaction here :). Between the Buried and Me I was gonna say, probably belongs on these archives haha, their last album, was totally prog. You guys deffinitely like some awsome stuff. For people who want some really sick (but great) sh*t I recomend Circle of Dead Children, some of the sickest grind ever.

And who up there said Mayhem doesn't make sense? Do you not agree with their views, or in cannabalism or burning down churches? well, me neither really, but I think Mayhem are great. De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas is an essential for anyone who listens to black metal. Speaking of black metal I just recently started listening to Xasthur, that sh*t is awsome. They rule at atmosphere.

I know from reading Metal Maniacs that Xasthur is a one-man band (Malefic), but what does the music sound like?  I've heard all sorts of superlatives, but what's the brass-tacks, take home message?

Pulse Demon is really he's greatest work.. It's freshing music ! I Can't either listen it as a whole album. 30 minutes of that weirdness is enough for me. " If by Noise you mean uncomfortable sound, then pop music is noise to me " <--- merzbow.. I have heard Sunn)) album called " Black One " didn't quite like, And i listen lot's of Drone based Artist's and groups !!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2006 at 17:09
Meshuggah, Slayer, early Metallica, Fantômas..............Yummy!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2006 at 18:32
I'm big fan of Cradle of Filth. I like Opeth very much and I'm starting to listen bands like Vesania, Dark Tranquillity and Immortal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2006 at 18:37

I love Dark Tranquility's CHARACTER, though I'd never put them in a "brutal/nasty" category; they're MUCH more melodic than most.  I also really like HATE CREW DEATHROLL by Children Of Bodom.

Let's see...

  1. Krisiun: Bloodshed
  2. Opeth: Deliverance
  3. Cradle Of Filth: Midian
  4. Deicide: Scars Of The Crucifix
  5. Cannibal Corpse: ANYTHING is fair game.

 

By the way...I heard that the guy who plays drums for Circle Of Dead Children also plays with TODAY IS THE DAY...and that Steve from TITD is producing CODC. 

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2006 at 23:41

Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

Meshuggah, Slayer, early Metallica, Fantômas..............Yummy!!

That's pretty tame in my book :P.

Anyway, as far as Xasthur goes, kind of Darkthroneish production, but softer. Heavy eary keyboards, and the guitar tracks mesh to create all sorts of cool ambiences. The vocals sound like they're recorded in some kind of echoey room and that they kind of echo into the microphone. Everything contributes to the atmosphere. However, my description does not do it justice, just download a song or two and give it a listen, it's really the only way to know.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2006 at 05:16
the whole genré bores me to death. I can only ridicule it


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2006 at 05:37

I'm pretty happy with my own approach:

  • 1 x Base Genre (Rock, Metal, ... + some established sub genres like Canterbury, Hardcore, Alternative Rock)

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  • 1 x Phase (Classic, Neo, Modern, Retro, Post)

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  • Progressive (Yes/No)

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  • Symphonic (Yes/No)

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  • 1 x Ethnic component (Folk/Italian/Spanish/...)

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  • n x Attributes (Multi-Genre, Technical, Quirky, Unusual/Weird, Psychedelic, Atmospheric/Ambient, Minimalistic, ...)

The good thing is that all inputs except the base genre are optional. You don't HAVE to be that specific, but you CAN.

Edit: This post is a little bit off topic - it was just a reply to BaldJean's post. But this thread is about Brutal metal, and I think that I'll add "brutal/aggressive" to my list of attributes - this makes my post slightly "in-topic".



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2006 at 05:44

When one starts to put bands like Cradle of Filth, Cryptopsy, Dark Tranquility, Xasthur, Emperor, Slayer, Meshuggah, Circle of Dead Children and Sunn )) into one category labelled 'extreme metal' it's a sure sign one has been listening to too much prog.

Anyway... for those who like ultra-slow doom metal, be sure to give Burning Witch and Thergothon a try.

Brutal death metal heads should check out Origin (preferably the 'Informis, Infinitas, Inhumanitas' album) and the less known, but fantastic Orchidectomy.  

EDIT: Mike, are you sure you've posted in the right thread?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2006 at 06:07
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

When one starts to put bands like Cradle of Filth, Cryptopsy, Dark Tranquility, Xasthur, Emperor, Slayer, Meshuggah, Circle of Dead Children and Sunn )) into one category labelled 'extreme metal' it's a sure sign one has been listening to too much prog.

I'm not sure if I understand what you mean ...

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

EDIT: Mike, are you sure you've posted in the right thread?

See my edited post.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2006 at 06:37
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

When one starts to put bands like Cradle of Filth, Cryptopsy, Dark Tranquility, Xasthur, Emperor, Slayer, Meshuggah, Circle of Dead Children and Sunn )) into one category labelled 'extreme metal' it's a sure sign one has been listening to too much prog.

I'm not sure if I understand what you mean ...

 

To put it short - a thread entitled 'extreme metal' or 'brutal music' is just as clumsy as a thread entitled 'prog'.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2006 at 07:36

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

the whole genré bores me to death. I can only ridicule it

I've been told the same thing about prog and I can only ridicule both opinions.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2006 at 08:12
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

When one starts to put bands like Cradle of Filth, Cryptopsy, Dark Tranquility, Xasthur, Emperor, Slayer, Meshuggah, Circle of Dead Children and Sunn )) into one category labelled 'extreme metal' it's a sure sign one has been listening to too much prog.

I'm not sure if I understand what you mean ...

 

To put it short - a thread entitled 'extreme metal' or 'brutal music' is just as clumsy as a thread entitled 'prog'.

When I read the thread title for the first time, I found it interesting. Why not search for "brutal music" ... independently of the genre?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2006 at 08:23

Old Cradle Of Filth Albums, including Midian

First 2 Children Of Bodom Albums

Old In Flames albums

There are others, but not specific bands or albums. Lots of songs...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2006 at 10:01

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

the whole genré bores me to death. I can only ridicule it

Failure.

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

When one starts to put bands like Cradle of Filth, Cryptopsy, Dark Tranquility, Xasthur, Emperor, Slayer, Meshuggah, Circle of Dead Children and Sunn )) into one category labelled 'extreme metal' it's a sure sign one has been listening to too much prog.

Anyway... for those who like ultra-slow doom metal, be sure to give Burning Witch and Thergothon a try.

Brutal death metal heads should check out Origin (preferably the 'Informis, Infinitas, Inhumanitas' album) and the less known, but fantastic Orchidectomy.  

EDIT: Mike, are you sure you've posted in the right thread?

Lol about the first part, yeah. I gave this thread a general name because I wasn't sure how well you guys might know this incredibly large area of music. It encompasses so many genres and sounds that it's ridiculous. I mean, I think it's just important for a people to understand also that not all "extreme" music is metal. Like  hardcore, is not metal for example. Though the two do seem to mix really closely. Plus Merzbow, well no one would even think Merzbow metal, but they are an earsplitting good time.

side question: Didn't Burning Witch essentially become Sunn0)) or does Sunn0)) just have some of their members?

and another recomendation, for fans of technical metal look no farther than Psycroptic and Spawn of Possession, both these band are absolutely awsome. Extreme technical skill and very heavy, and intense. Totally worth checking out. Not just tech for the sake of tech either, seriously these guys write really good stuff.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2006 at 12:59
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

When one starts to put bands like Cradle of Filth, Cryptopsy, Dark Tranquility, Xasthur, Emperor, Slayer, Meshuggah, Circle of Dead Children and Sunn )) into one category labelled 'extreme metal' it's a sure sign one has been listening to too much prog.

I'm not sure if I understand what you mean ...

 

To put it short - a thread entitled 'extreme metal' or 'brutal music' is just as clumsy as a thread entitled 'prog'.

When I read the thread title for the first time, I found it interesting. Why not search for "brutal music" ... independently of the genre?

Because you're going to get a bunch of non-brutal bands as recommendations. Cradle of Filth, Dark Tranquility etc. Seriously, if you're looking for brutal bands, brutal bands are what you should get. And I'm allergic to such incredibly generalizing labels.

But maybe you're right, I'm just being nitpicky here.

Helofloki - I'm not sure how many Burning Witch bands are in Sunn )) . What I do know is that Burning Witch are still doom metal (albeit CRUSHINGLY heavy and slow) and not drone. Highly recommended - if you can get it.

Props on the Spawn of Possession and Psycroptic recommendations, you could also try Martyr (Canada), Decrepit Birth and Disgorge (USA). Apart from the metal front, go for the late John Coltrane releases, Peter Brotzmann (especially "Machine Gun") and John Zorn's "Painkiller". Oh, and check out the samples on the Zeuhl page here, especially the bands Ruins and Bondage Fruit:

http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_LIS T.asp?style=11

Baldjean - it's hard to ridicule something that doesn't take itself very seriously in the first place

 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2006 at 13:27

Hrm, thanks for the Zeuhl recomendation, I'm gonna start a thread in a minute about Zeuhl in the recomendations section...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2006 at 13:29
Originally posted by helofloki helofloki wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

the whole genré bores me to death. I can only ridicule it

Failure.


nonsense. if it bores me to death, it bores me to death. period. there is neither any failure nor would there be any success if I liked it and were enthusiastic about it. it is simply my taste of music. you are not the mentor of my musical taste. my personal opinion about ultra brutal music is that it is pretentious. if you like that kind of stuff, fine; I call that neither a failure nor a success. it is your personal taste. period again.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2006 at 13:38
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by helofloki helofloki wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

the whole genré bores me to death. I can only ridicule it

Failure.


nonsense. if it bores me to death, it bores me to death. period. there is neither any failure nor would there be any success if I liked it and were enthusiastic about it. it is simply my taste of music. you are not the mentor of my musical taste. my personal opinion about ultra brutal music is that it is pretentious. if you like that kind of stuff, fine; I call that neither a failure nor a success. it is your personal taste. period again.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2006 at 13:57

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

the whole genré bores me to death. I can only ridicule it

BaldJean : When I see you on the 18th I will tie you to a chair and put headphones on you with the most brutal music I can find on untill you start to BANG your way to the floor. 

Seriously , I can understand if you or someone else don't like the stuff. Sometimes all it sounds like is noise, but we like it !



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