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BaldJean
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
Posted: February 28 2006 at 18:55 | |||||||||||
sorry, but the committee idea would never work; no album would get a 5 star rating that way. at least not if the committee is well balanced. for example, if I were in the committee I would probably block most prog metal albums per se; others would block Kraut or Zheul albums from getting 5 stars. there would hardly be any album a committee could agree upon. anyway, in a way there IS a committee: anyone who rates an album adds to its average rating. and some albums do have an average rating of 5 stars (at least above 4.5). of course those are usually the wrong albums who don't deserve to have them; only I know which albums are worth 5 stars |
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mission4prog
Forum Newbie Joined: February 17 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 25 |
Posted: February 28 2006 at 18:43 | |||||||||||
without question too many 5's are given here. a lock should be placed on the 5 rating and all potentials should be voted on by committee... or maybe, a "cool down" period should be established--similair to handgun purchases, so the reviewer can be absolutely sure, and in their right mind, before they select that GOLDEN 5 RATING. m4p
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W.Chuck
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 27 2005 Status: Offline Points: 606 |
Posted: February 28 2006 at 13:42 | |||||||||||
5 stars doesn't mean that it is "the best", simply
that it is a "masterpiece". There can be many albums that are masterpieces for the rating person. For those 2 genesis albums: SEBTP can be a masterpiece on its way, but Trespass as well, those 2 are different, but can both be rated with 5 stars. |
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Atkingani
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: October 21 2005 Location: Terra Brasilis Status: Offline Points: 12288 |
Posted: February 28 2006 at 12:47 | |||||||||||
I think this thread is about a philosophy of work, not a personal taste. It may vary, obviously and thanks goodness. Let's take the last review posted by Jean and try to read as someone not a member of PA or someone not totally inside prog-rock.
When I first listened to this album I couldn't believe it was from 1969; it is way ahead of the time. Definitely the heaviest album of that aera. Its trademark is the constant battling between electric guitar and electric violin. The album starts right away with a heavy electric guitar riff out of one of the boxes, a pumping bass and drums enter, the guitar riff is answered with heavy electric violin out of the other box, and then "Futilist's Lament" is on the way. The vocals of Tony Hill sound a bit like Jim Morrison; the lyrics throughout the whole album are rather pessimistic. Well, I like heavy electric guitar and I like Morrison's voice, well, this could be a good purchase... The second track, "Death Warmed Up", is an instrumental and probably the first prog metal piece ever. Guitar and violin together play a very complicated theme of about 3 minutes length, which is repeated once. Then it looks as if they go into another repetition, but what follows for the last 4 minutes is a wild battle between electric guitar and electric violin. Instrumental? Prog Metal? Instrumental is fine, but I'm not totally into metal. Maybe I'll skip that one or maybe a 1969 metal piece should be soft and tolerable. See, it's hypothetical, the black bold letters do not reflect my opinion (almost ). Another reader could say: "I won't buy it, too much violin", but, at least, he/she received a good indication of what to expect from the reviewed album. A good example of how a review should be, specially for a 5-stars album, IMO. Edited by Atkingani |
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Buze
Forum Senior Member New Releases Album Reviewer Joined: February 25 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 112 |
Posted: February 28 2006 at 12:18 | |||||||||||
I agree with you, but I'd rather give a 5 stars to an album that reinvented a style, that inspired a large community (who does not know SEBTP?), that traces a definitive path in progressive music. Those guys created something totally new and I'm not sure in 1973 they were a "5 stars" band. But 30 years later... So I think we must be cautious and remember that a band' music will live FOR YEARS and so will our reviews and therefore, there something beside 5 stars. |
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BebieM
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 06:28 | |||||||||||
I don't understand why 5 star albums need to be flawless. SEBTP is the
best example, IMO it has 3 of the best 20 songs in prog on it (Dancing
with the Moonlit Knight, Firth of Fifth, Cinema Show) + 2 excellent
ones (After the Ordeal, Aisle of Plenty) + 2 just good ones (Battle of
the Epping Forest, I know what i like) + one rather bad one (More Fool
me). Still it's a solid 5 star album for me, just because of the 5
tracks mentioned at the start. A couple of average songs hardly
diminish the quality of the best ones, I still think it's absolutely
essential to own that album, it's more than the sum of its parts.
So basically what I'm saying is that if an album consists to 3/4 of material you find masterpiece-worthy or even better there's no need to give it 4 stars just because of 1 or 2 bad songs. |
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Kid-A
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 06:28 | |||||||||||
I do think some are too ready to give albums 5 stars, but on average very few of them are above 4.5, so it's not too much of a problem.
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BaldJean
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
Posted: February 28 2006 at 06:20 | |||||||||||
I gave 5 stars to 5 albums so far, and those are more or
less my personal top 5 of all time. many may not agree with me,
especially about "Vital".
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ANDREW
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 21 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 3064 |
Posted: February 28 2006 at 05:26 | |||||||||||
YES, TOO MANY 5 STARS RATINGS!!! |
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Nazgul
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 30 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 148 |
Posted: February 28 2006 at 05:24 | |||||||||||
I can't agree with You. If many pepole rate album then we have average estimate. |
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avestin
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 04:11 | |||||||||||
The truth is that there are scarcely any reviews with very good explanations, therefore, what I suggested earlier may be an option to avoid being ill advised. Usually the 1-star reviews are "This is terrible" and the 5 star are "This is an amazing album" without going into too many explanations, which, I must say, is quite hard to do (this is one reason for me not to post reviews but rather recommend albums in my own simple language in another thread). There are, however, exceptions to this, as there are some gifted reviewers here that do succeed in getting their message through and one can understand why they love or not the albums they review. I think people who follow reviews know who they are (not necessarily collabs). |
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BaldJean
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 03:59 | |||||||||||
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Zenith
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 03:51 | |||||||||||
Yes it's to many 5 star albums IMO. A review should be considered in a much more objective way than a lot of reviwers seems to be doing here. E.g if you have only a couple albums with a band that maybe have recorded 15 albums and think they're fantastic, how is it possible to give the two albums 5 stars?
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We're only in it for the music!!!
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avestin
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 02:38 | |||||||||||
I understand what you mean, however what Stonebeard and others here say is also true from their point of view. I read the reviews but with extreme caution. I need to know the reviewers background first, know what his likes and dislikes are, to know if we have the same basic assumptions about what we like in music and what we do not appreciate. This is why I have read reviews about albums I love and albums I don't love. In each I have picked a reviewer I have agreed with. Then I read that reviewer's other reviews about albums I don't know and I can be more certain that we have the same basic assumptions about music, hence I will love the album he is now reviewing which I do not know. It can be done with a reviewer you don't necessarily agree with, as long as you know his likes and dislikes and then you know where you stand in relation to him. For example, in symphonic prog there are two collaborators with whom I share a similar taste, there are other two collabs in Italian bands, another two in prog-metal and one other in Rio and Avantgarde, one for Krautrock and Canterburry (I reckon they know who they are). Aside from these I have some reviewers which I appeciate their opinions and I can speculate what I will think of the album in regards with their review.
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Bj-1
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 02:32 | |||||||||||
I give 5 stars only to albums I think really deserves it (because I think the music is brilliant!) |
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 02:21 | |||||||||||
SEBTP is only a 4 star. The only 5 star album by Genesis is Foxtrot ;). The yes album is 5 star. TAAB by Tull is 5 star. Tull only have one 5 star album, but they could have had about 5 or 6 ;)
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razifa
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Posted: February 27 2006 at 23:33 | |||||||||||
OK I do think there are many 5-stars albums... and by the way I disagree completly with your Genesis example. I definitively think "Trespass" is a 5-stars album without a doubt! This album was released in 1970 with a defying concept... The Knife is the very first beginning for Prog Metal influences, this album is way too influencial in Symphonic Prog Tendencies....!!! |
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Viajero Astral
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Posted: February 27 2006 at 23:27 | |||||||||||
Its subjetive, what for a person could be a masterpiece for another one its just crap.
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Buze
Forum Senior Member New Releases Album Reviewer Joined: February 25 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 112 |
Posted: February 27 2006 at 23:22 | |||||||||||
I think the star system is relative inside a specific Genre. Reviewers should compare albums with others before giving it 5 stars.
To illustrate the 5 stars "sickness", I went to the Prog Metal Genre to discover music. Opeth seemed to be a good starter. All the albums are 4.5 and higher !! This is simply impossible. These albums can not be equivalent. There must be a bad one and a "okay" one ! Public systems, like Progarchives, are ment to be unaccurate, we have to live with that ! |
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Rising Force
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Posted: February 27 2006 at 23:05 | |||||||||||
If I love the album, I'll give it five stars. I'm don't have to go by other peoples' standards.
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