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Topic: "5 stars" albums
Posted By: Buze
Subject: "5 stars" albums
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:05
I am new to this site and I simply love the Progressive community ! New bands and new music to discover, Yeeee !!!  But why is there so many 5 stars albums? To me, 5 stars is THE BEST, but always compared to other albums, AND relative to the artist. Ex. : Selling England by the Pound from Genesis could be a 5 stars, but Trespass can not be a 5 stars because it is not as "perfect" as Selling England. I knew Progressive enthusiasts were generous, but please, for newbies who wants to discover the BEST prog music, give them just a few choices... So, do you think there are too much 5 stars albums? |
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:10
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I only give an album 5 stars if I truly feel it is a masterpiece in the artist's catalogue, and that it is definitely worth a purchase or even a listen. ------------- 
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:13
No, IMO it's fair. There aren't that many here, most bands don't even have one. I voted yes accidentally ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:16
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By the way, Trespass is by far more perfect than SEBTP Every song there is great, and SEBTP has I know What I Like and More Fool Me... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:18
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Yes. However... My philosophy on 5 stars rated albums is different than some peoples'. Any album that I have a perticularly fond memory of, or one that I find no flaw that bothers me in gets 5 stars. I don't usually compare the album I'm rating with, say Close to the Edge. To me, a review/rating is a personal matter and should have no bearing or relevance to any other album than that one. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:19
IMO, a 5-star or a 1-star album should be accompanied by a very good explanation. Remember that our reviews also serve as a guide for someone to purchase that particular album and he/she may be frustated or bothered for being ill advised.  ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: stan the man
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:21
ill agree with you on more fool me but whats wrong with i know what i like? i givefive star reviews if i think it is virtually flawless and i think is a masterpiece that i wont get sick of. ------------- true as a lobster in a pteredaktyl's underpants. 
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The Miracle wrote:Posted By: VanBuren
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:22
| who cares really, if a person really likes an album and wants to show their effection for it, why not let them, who are you to say hey, you might really love that album, it might even be your favorite album, but we don't feel it's that great so to hell with your individual thoughts |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:24
Now that's accurate. How can you give an album that you find to be incredible and one of your favorite albums only 4 stars? Not THAT many albums are above a 4.5 rating. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:29
The chorus is annoying and overall it's a pretty weak sone, especially in context of such an album ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:36
Exactly how I feel. ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:38
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Would you give the first Asia album 5 stars? -------------
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:41
I don't know about that, maybe a Stynx album is more deserving  .Did you get that Asia album by the way??? ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:44
Nah. I got the Real to Reel/Brief Encounter remaster, Fugazi Remastered (up until this point I had it on mp3), and Thrakattak instead. -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:46
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Off the top O my head, I've given the following albums 5 stars (incuding 4.5 and up): Marillion: Misplaced Childhood And I've reviewed about 26. All of these deserve the rating IMO. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:47
| Whether an album is worth 5 stars or not is always a personal opinion by the reviewer.I believe you need to read the reviews and then see where that particular album falls within the top 500 list to get an overall feel.But then again the fact that there seems to be a conspiracy between the TAAB.SEBTP & CTTE fanboys as to who's on top sort of messes that up at the top of the chart. |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:48
Fugazi is yummy, I haven't heard the others. ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:49
I've given these albums 5 stars only because I feel that they are truly masterpieces in the artists catalogues:
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http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=155 - GENESIS - Foxtrot Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:51
It's a lot better in my opinion than when I first reviewed it. And Reel to Real is a live album that came out after Fugazi and Brief Encounter I believe was a single that came out after Misplaced Childhood that had Freaks and Lady Nina on it, it also contains live versions of Kayleigh, Script, and Fugazi. -------------
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Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:51
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Good observation! When I point these flaws in how the acrhives chart is constructed I get accused of being paranoid. Yes, there are too many five star reviews. Fanboys are not being objective and honest in majority of cases and will give it five stars just because it's their favourite band! |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:59
AFTK? Cinderella Man??!?!?!?!?!? ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:59
Fugazi is my least favorite of the Fish era studio albums I have to admit, but it's still very good. I'm planning on purchasing Reat to Reel/Brief Encounter sometime soon. ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 23:03
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 23:03
Cinderella Man has a great riff and an awesome solo... Madrigal is by far the weakest on the album, but I still like it. -------------
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Posted By: Rising Force
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 23:05
| If I love the album, I'll give it five stars. I'm don't have to go by other peoples' standards. |
Posted By: Buze
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 23:22
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I think the star system is relative inside a specific Genre. Reviewers should compare albums with others before giving it 5 stars. To illustrate the 5 stars "sickness", I went to the Prog Metal Genre to discover music. Opeth seemed to be a good starter. All the albums are 4.5 and higher !! This is simply impossible. These albums can not be equivalent. There must be a bad one and a "okay" one ! Public systems, like Progarchives, are ment to be unaccurate, we have to live with that ! |
Posted By: Viajero Astral
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 23:27
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Its subjetive, what for a person could be a masterpiece for another one its just crap.
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Posted By: razifa
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 23:33
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OK I do think there are many 5-stars albums... and by the way I disagree completly with your Genesis example. I definitively think "Trespass" is a 5-stars album without a doubt! This album was released in 1970 with a defying concept... The Knife is the very first beginning for Prog Metal influences, this album is way too influencial in Symphonic Prog Tendencies....!!! ------------- ********** **razifa** ********** |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 02:21
| SEBTP is only a 4 star. The only 5 star album by Genesis is Foxtrot ;). The yes album is 5 star. TAAB by Tull is 5 star. Tull only have one 5 star album, but they could have had about 5 or 6 ;) |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 02:32
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I give 5 stars only to albums I think really deserves it (because I think the music is brilliant!) ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 02:38
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I understand what you mean, however what Stonebeard and others here say is also true from their point of view. I read the reviews but with extreme caution. I need to know the reviewers background first, know what his likes and dislikes are, to know if we have the same basic assumptions about what we like in music and what we do not appreciate. This is why I have read reviews about albums I love and albums I don't love. In each I have picked a reviewer I have agreed with. Then I read that reviewer's other reviews about albums I don't know and I can be more certain that we have the same basic assumptions about music, hence I will love the album he is now reviewing which I do not know. It can be done with a reviewer you don't necessarily agree with, as long as you know his likes and dislikes and then you know where you stand in relation to him. For example, in symphonic prog there are two collaborators with whom I share a similar taste, there are other two collabs in Italian bands, another two in prog-metal and one other in Rio and Avantgarde, one for Krautrock and Canterburry (I reckon they know who they are). Aside from these I have some reviewers which I appeciate their opinions and I can speculate what I will think of the album in regards with their review.
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Posted By: Zenith
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 03:51
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Yes it's to many 5 star albums IMO. A review should be considered in a much more objective way than a lot of reviwers seems to be doing here. E.g if you have only a couple albums with a band that maybe have recorded 15 albums and think they're fantastic, how is it possible to give the two albums 5 stars? ------------- We're only in it for the music!!! |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 03:59
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 04:11
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The truth is that there are scarcely any reviews with very good explanations, therefore, what I suggested earlier may be an option to avoid being ill advised. Usually the 1-star reviews are "This is terrible" and the 5 star are "This is an amazing album" without going into too many explanations, which, I must say, is quite hard to do (this is one reason for me not to post reviews but rather recommend albums in my own simple language in another thread). There are, however, exceptions to this, as there are some gifted reviewers here that do succeed in getting their message through and one can understand why they love or not the albums they review. I think people who follow reviews know who they are (not necessarily collabs). ------------- http://hangingsounds.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - Hanging Sounds http://www.progarchives.com/ProgRockShopping.asp" rel="nofollow - PA Index of prog music vendors |
Posted By: Nazgul
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 05:24
I can't agree with You. If many pepole rate album then we have average estimate. |
Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 05:26
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YES, TOO MANY 5 STARS RATINGS!!! |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 06:20
HAMMILL, PETER - The Fall of the House of Usher 
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This is one of the finest albums of Peter Hammill. It exists in 2 different versions, one
from 1990, the other from 1999 (therefore it should be listed in here twice). The main
difference between the two versions is the absence of drums in the 1999 version; my
personal opinion is Peter Hammill was right to remove them, their absence makes the
whole atmosphere more dense, and it is more like an opera because of this.
The album is based on the well known story of Edgar Allan Poe. Chris Judge-Smith, the
librettist, expanded the dramatis personae of the original story a little by giving the
herbalist, who in Poe's story only appears in one sentence, a supporting role, using the
device of a chorus that comments on the action from ancient Greek or Elizabethian
theater and, most important and ingenious idea, by letting the house itself become a
main character of the plot. The nameless friend of Usher, who tells the tale in the story
of Poe, is given the name Montresor from another Poe story ("The Cask of
Amontillado").
The opera is divided into six acts. The first act has the chorus (sung by the wonderfully
warm contralto voice of Sarah Jane Morris; on first hearing you might belive this is a
man singing) deplore its own role as a mere commentator, before Montresor (Andy Bell)
arrives at the house and describes the scenery he sees and why he visits his friend
Usher. Thus ends act one.
Act two begins with a dreaming and sinister monologue of the voices of the house
(sung by Hammill in a chorus with himself), describing the gothic architecture of the
house. One immediately feels this house must be evil. Then Roderick Usher appears,
singing a morbid song (lyrics of this by Poe), accompanying himself on the organ. Then
Usher realizes his friend has appeared, the two greet each other, and Usher tells his
friend about his oversensitive senses in the aria "I shun the light", one of the highlights
of this album. Montresor comes to the conclusion the house has a bad influence on
Usher and asks him to leave the house with him, but Usher says he can not, the house
and he belong together. All this time the voices of the house threaten "we will not let
him go!"
Act three begins with the first appearance of Madeleine Usher (Lene Lovich), who
obviously is in a trance and sings in a monoluge, in which two strings of lyrics are
interwoven; in one of them she sees herself floating as a corpse on the water. Usher
explains to his friend that his sister suffers from catalepic fits, but that her waking
moments are even worse. The herbalist, an obvious quack (Herbert Grönemeyer)
appears and offers his services, which Montresor rejects. Montresor goes to bed and
muses about the house and the influence it has on Usher, while the chorus in vain tells
him to leave this house.
Act four has Montresor and Madeleine meet next morning. It seems they had almost
become lovers some time ago, but for some reason they had been afraid to touch each
other (a beautiful duet between Bell and Lovich). Madeiline disappears, and Usher
enters, telling his friend his sister does not know how very ill she is. Montresor asks him
to have her removed from this house, but Usher again tells his friend they can not
leave, and when his friend again begs to leave because he would rot in this house
Usher flips and tells his friend "there will be no rot in Usher"; a great duet between
Hammill and Bell. Finally they come to the conclusion that together they can fight the
eveil influence of the house, after which again the voices of the house ominously
threaten "we wil not let them go!"
Act five consists of a single piece of music only. Usher tells his friend Madeiline is dead,
and he, Montresor and the herbalist mourn that he had to die so young. They decide to
put her corpse to rest in the crypt, and the act ends with a kind of funeral march.
Act six begins with a storm raging outside the house. Both Usher and Montresor can't
sleep. Usher makes a few cryptic remarks about another sound that is not hidden to his
ears by the sounds of the storm, which Montresor fails to understand. Montresor asks
Usher to play some music for him, and Usher plays "The Haunted Palace" (another
poem by Poe, slightly altered). While he is playing Montresor is sure he hears some
other sounds and asks his friend to stop playing several times, but Usher denies he
hears anything and continues playing more and more desperately, until finally he can't
deny he too hears the sounds anymore and tells his friend that his hypersensitive ears
had heard this sound long before, and that the had put Madeiline living into the tomb.
The music reaches pandemonium, he voies of the house appear again, more
threatening than ever, and finally Madeliine enters, now completely mad. Themes from
throughout the opera are now repeated while Usher, Madeline and Montresor sing in a
confused meddle. Montresor flees, while Madeline in mad revenge strangles Usher, and
the house collapses behind Montresor.
4 stars for the 1990 version, 5 for the 1999 version.
TURNER'S SPHYNX, NIK - Xitintoday 
MOTHER GONG - Fairy Tales 
VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR - Vital 
HIGH TIDE - Sea Shanties Posted By: Kid-A
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 06:28
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I do think some are too ready to give albums 5 stars, but on average very few of them are above 4.5, so it's not too much of a problem. ------------- 
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Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 06:28
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I don't understand why 5 star albums need to be flawless. SEBTP is the
best example, IMO it has 3 of the best 20 songs in prog on it (Dancing
with the Moonlit Knight, Firth of Fifth, Cinema Show) + 2 excellent
ones (After the Ordeal, Aisle of Plenty) + 2 just good ones (Battle of
the Epping Forest, I know what i like) + one rather bad one (More Fool
me). Still it's a solid 5 star album for me, just because of the 5
tracks mentioned at the start. A couple of average songs hardly
diminish the quality of the best ones, I still think it's absolutely
essential to own that album, it's more than the sum of its parts.
So basically what I'm saying is that if an album consists to 3/4 of material you find masterpiece-worthy or even better there's no need to give it 4 stars just because of 1 or 2 bad songs. |
Posted By: Buze
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 12:18
I agree with you, but I'd rather give a 5 stars to an album that reinvented a style, that inspired a large community (who does not know SEBTP?), that traces a definitive path in progressive music. Those guys created something totally new and I'm not sure in 1973 they were a "5 stars" band. But 30 years later... So I think we must be cautious and remember that a band' music will live FOR YEARS and so will our reviews and therefore, there something beside 5 stars. |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 12:47
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I think this thread is about a philosophy of work, not a personal taste. It may vary, obviously and thanks goodness. Let's take the last review posted by Jean and try to read as someone not a member of PA or someone not totally inside prog-rock.
When I first listened to this album I couldn't believe it was from 1969; it is way ahead of the time. Definitely the heaviest album of that aera. Its trademark is the constant battling between electric guitar and electric violin. The album starts right away with a heavy electric guitar riff out of one of the boxes, a pumping bass and drums enter, the guitar riff is answered with heavy electric violin out of the other box, and then "Futilist's Lament" is on the way. The vocals of Tony Hill sound a bit like Jim Morrison; the lyrics throughout the whole album are rather pessimistic. Well, I like heavy electric guitar and I like Morrison's voice, well, this could be a good purchase... The second track, "Death Warmed Up", is an instrumental and probably the first prog metal piece ever. Guitar and violin together play a very complicated theme of about 3 minutes length, which is repeated once. Then it looks as if they go into another repetition, but what follows for the last 4 minutes is a wild battle between electric guitar and electric violin. Instrumental? Prog Metal? Instrumental is fine, but I'm not totally into metal. Maybe I'll skip that one or maybe a 1969 metal piece should be soft and tolerable. See, it's hypothetical, the black bold letters do not reflect my opinion (almost ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
HIGH TIDE - Sea Shanties Posted By: W.Chuck
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 13:42
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5 stars doesn't mean that it is "the best", simply
that it is a "masterpiece". There can be many albums that are masterpieces for the rating person. For those 2 genesis albums: SEBTP can be a masterpiece on its way, but Trespass as well, those 2 are different, but can both be rated with 5 stars. ------------- 
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Posted By: mission4prog
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 18:43
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without question too many 5's are given here. a lock should be placed on the 5 rating and all potentials should be voted on by committee... or maybe, a "cool down" period should be established--similair to handgun purchases, so the reviewer can be absolutely sure, and in their right mind, before they select that GOLDEN 5 RATING. m4p
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 18:55
sorry, but the committee idea would never work; no album would get a 5 star rating that way. at least not if the committee is well balanced. for example, if I were in the committee I would probably block most prog metal albums per se; others would block Kraut or Zheul albums from getting 5 stars. there would hardly be any album a committee could agree upon. anyway, in a way there IS a committee: anyone who rates an album adds to its average rating. and some albums do have an average rating of 5 stars (at least above 4.5). of course those are usually the wrong albums who don't deserve to have them; only I know which albums are worth 5 stars ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 19:17
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I agree Baldie, the commitee would never work. Yeah, there are two many five star ratings on this site, but what can really be done about it. I think that one and five star reviews force the reviewer to stand up for quite a bit. I don't think that it's possible to limit five star ratins, because no matter how much the site advocates two, three, and four star reviews, there are plenty of reviwers who will not pay attention. Someone could go around editing/deleting reviews that take too strong of a position with too weak of reasoning, but this is a very objective and time consuming job I doubt anyone can or would want to do. -------------  
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 21:02
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I would rate an album 5 stars only if it truly merited it. By this I mean that it would have to be an Artist's very best effort for it to warrant the "perfect" mark. As most albums are not perfect then the 5 star rating should be a very rare assessment. Even the artists themselves would agree with this sentiment. I think most of us would find fault in catagories such as overall production, composition, use of instruments and quality of vocals (if any). The difficulty is that a 5 rating is in the "ears of the beholder" - what is a 5 star to one person is obviously not to another. Who is to say who is right or wrong in their opinions/reviews? ------------- 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 22:53
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As long as the rating is supported by a coherent review, I don't dare to tell somebody his taste and opinion is wrong. I check the five and four stars reviews always, that's natural, but the real rating is the review "per se". A good review doesn't need a rating, speaks clearly and loud, rating is only a visual aid. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 23:05
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Reviews are very subjective, so I don't think there are too many 5 star reviews.
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Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: March 01 2006 at 00:42
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Stop the Genesis fanboys giving multiple five star reviews and clogging up the PA top ten. The top 10 should justifiably be
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 01 2006 at 01:25
Hey guys he's right, lets all stop making reviews. Lets tell Max to give Progger the keys, he's the owner of the ultimate taste. But if this happens, the last one to leave please turn off the lights Iván -------------
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: March 01 2006 at 02:59
 Agreed!
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: March 01 2006 at 03:27
"overall production" doesn't enter my thoughts at all for rating an album. nothing could be of less interest for me. that is for the technic freaks who go and draw a sound curve of the album to find out its production weaknesses. it is the reason why magazines like "Audio" have always left me cold; they care too much about the hi-fi and too little about the music. hence an album like VdGG's "Vital" gets 5 stars from me, although the sound quality certainly is not best. but I just don't give a damn about that ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: March 01 2006 at 03:35
lol, of these 10 albums only "Pawn Hearts" might make it into my personal top 10. "Relayer" almost makes it (it is the best album of Yes), but I have too many other artists I prefer to Yes. the rest don't even come close. so much for justifiability ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Prog1611
Date Posted: March 01 2006 at 03:40
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Remember the boy who cried "WOLF"....... His 5 star ratings don't move me anymore... ------------- Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare if thou hast understanding? |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 01 2006 at 12:49
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I do agree that there are a bit too many 5-star reviews on this site, but can we really account for individual taste? When I started reviewing albums for PA, the logical starting point for me were some of my all-time favourites - this explains the abundance of 4- and 5-stars at the beginning of my "career" as a Prog Reviewer. Anyway, I always try to explain why I rate a particular album so highly, so that any reader who might be interested in buying that record gets an opportunity to learn more about it. In fact, I completely agree with Atkingani's analysis of BaldJean's review of "Sea Shanties" (expect one from me as well - I got the record some time ago, and it's totally awesome!). This is what I do when I'm thinking of buying a record and want to know something more. I usually give 5 stars to those albums I really love, as well as to those representing the best of a band or musician's production and/or a milestone in a particular musical genre. For instance, my 5-star reviews include such records as: In the Court of the Crimson King - Red (KC) Close to the Edge (Yes) In the Land of Grey and Pink (Caravan) Emerson, Lake and Palmer (ELP) Dark Side of the Moon (PF)
There are also albums I love and listen to very often which, however, did not get 5 stars because I find them flawed in one way or another. Two examples of this are ELP's "Tarkus" (because of Side 2) and KC's "Larks' Tongues in Aspic" (because of Wetton's vocals). |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 01 2006 at 13:18
Stupidaty like this is the reason people get annoyed at your posts, I would rate Foxtrot at the top of that list and so would a number of others, and what makes you think its only Genesis fanboys doing this, there are enough Yes and Floyd fanboys and DSOTM and CTTE both have more reviews than any Genesis album. I think the problem with the 5 star rateings is that they have to small a range in them. For instance I would vote Dream Theaters SFAM and I&W as 5 stars under the current system but in an out of 10 only Scenes would get the top rateing. Also people who arent Forum members here can submit rateings and reviews, so a Death Metal fan would give Death 5 stars to all their albums, even if they arnt slightly progressive. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: mission4prog
Date Posted: March 01 2006 at 13:35
well then scrap the committee idea, and you can personally approve all 5 star ratings. and, actually, you are right, since the review scores are averaged together it IS like a committee. i guess the next notion would be to post deliberately negative ratings on a particular work in order to skew the end result average...or is that already being done. later. my first poll will be the perplexing question: "are there too many emoticons on progarchives?'
m4p
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Posted By: MattiR
Date Posted: March 04 2006 at 16:33
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Posted By: Dirk
Date Posted: March 04 2006 at 17:18
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I never read a 5 star review because it's almost never a balanced review. Most 5 star reviews go something like this: Great band ................................. 5 stars definitely............. one of the great masterpieces of all time..........................bla bla bla. One of the reasons I don't like to review an album on this side is that 4 stars (excellent album) almost always drags a band down in average rating. so i let the others just ramble on.m. I do think that a 10 point rating scale would help things. On the other hand people will continue giving their favorite bands 10 stars then because after all progarchives is a sort of sport to them. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 04 2006 at 17:27
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Try my website - it offers a 15 point scale. So far there is only one album listed with the maximum rating.
------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: March 04 2006 at 22:19
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I'll give five stars to the complaints about five stars... ------------- Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan ringed by ants and musing over man. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 04 2006 at 22:41
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I would give fewer albums 5 stars if there were more options. Quite often, I give albums .25, .5 or .75 more portions of a star simply because I don't feel it warrants whatever whole star rating I would assign it. This is why Mike's system is much more logical, and a bit more interesting than the old 5-star system. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: March 04 2006 at 22:59
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We need a 10 point system!
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Posted By: Dirk
Date Posted: March 05 2006 at 05:51
I will do that thx |