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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer
Joined: June 22 2004
Location: England
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 07:08 |
...by a Squonks whisker
Drama is a great album too!
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk
Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 07:13 |
Tough choice but I think both are still correct at best
If I have to choose, Ill go with Drama (no stinkers such as Misunderstanding and Turn It Off Again)
Your two polls taking parallels between Yes and Genesis relatively cool, because it shows that both bands were going through rough times around then.
Both made albums that were greatly deceiving back then for purists, but with what lays ahead in the 80's , progheads are not as vehement today , towards those four albums as they were back then.
What was regarded as high treason for me (I felt this much stronger for Genesis than Yes - but I was never that much of a Yesman, anyway) are now regarded as transition albums and tolerated even sometimes greatly embellished by forgiving fanboys.
In all cases: Duke, Drama, Tormato and ATTWT should not exceed 3 stars IMHO, max 3,5 stars
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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linchpinc
Forum Senior Member
Joined: December 22 2005
Location: Ireland
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Points: 112
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 07:39 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Tough choice but I think both are still correct at best
If I have to choose, Ill go with Drama (no stinkers such as Misunderstanding and Turn It Off Again)
Your two polls taking parallels between Yes and Genesis relatively cool, because it shows that both bands were going through rough times around then.
Both made albums that were greatly deceiving back then for purists, but with what lays ahead in the 80's , progheads are not as vehement today , towards those four albums as they were back then.
What was regarded as high treason for me (I felt this much stronger for Genesis than Yes - but I was never that much of a Yesman, anyway) are now regarded as transition albums and tolerated even sometimes greatly embellished by forgiving fanboys.
In all cases: Duke, Drama, Tormato and ATTWT should not exceed 3 stars IMHO, max 3,5 stars |
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hcnoer
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Joined: October 28 2005
Location: Norway
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 11:00 |
Drama by a mile. Drama is underrated, parts of Duke is "good" other parts are awfull.
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" Jon Anderson is the only man I know who tries to save this planet while living on another" - Rick Wakeman
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A'swepe
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Joined: December 08 2005
Location: United States
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 11:06 |
I agree - both excellent transitional albums.
Of the two, I choose Duke.
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linchpinc
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Joined: December 22 2005
Location: Ireland
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 18:31 |
hcnoer wrote:
Drama by a mile. Drama is underrated, parts of Duke is "good" other parts are awfull. |
Hmm intersting what do you like about Drama?
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"What do you mean interesting?" Roger Waters
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Pylo
Forum Senior Member
Joined: February 03 2005
Location: France
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 18:44 |
Oups ! I think it's the first time I vote for Yes in a "Genesis vs Yes" poll !
I really like Drama, no weak song, great album IMHO.
I like Duke too, but 'Misunderstanding', 'Alone tonight' & 'Please don't ask' are just below average
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Viajero Astral
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Joined: January 16 2006
Location: Mexico
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 20:44 |
DRAMA by far, Duke is a bad progresive album (the last Genesis prog album IMO).
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micky
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Joined: October 02 2005
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 21:26 |
Sean Trane wrote:
In all cases: Duke, Drama, Tormato and ATTWT should not exceed 3 stars IMHO, max 3,5 stars |
out of curiousity what would you dock Drama 2 stars for....
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micky
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 21:34 |
dralan wrote:
"Drama" has some killer music on it but Trevor Horn comes off
like a poor-mans Jon Anderson, and the band was having major personnel
and artistic issues at the time, so Id rate it just average. |
hmmmmm..... let me be forward and play with the order of the points in your post.....
the band was having major personnel and artistic issues at the time and "Drama" has some killer music on it.
Best point for Drama and reason enough to vote Drama over Duke
hahaha..... to pull THAT music out of that kind of group crisis....
another clue, if needed for why Yes was head and shoulders above most prog
groups.
as far as Horn being a 'poor-mans Jon Anderson' have you actually
listened to the vocals.... what you are hearing are mainly the
trademark Yes harmonies of Squire, Howe, and Horn. You could put
me in there and that album would vocally sound like a classic 70's Yes
album.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 23:25 |
No problem here, Duke is a bad hybrid, a forced mixture between bland POP and boring POP.
Drama is a great album, no Jon Anderson or Rick Wakeman, but a very good album with incredible solid tracks (Except Into the Lens).
BTW: For that guy that calls Trevor Horn a poor's man Jon Anderson I would say that I'd go blindly with Trevor Horn's voice over Jon Anderson's any day.
Drama all the way.
Iván
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