Black Metal

Crushed Aria wrote: I had not called him a pussy because he didn't like the music, I fully respect peoples right to dislike the music. I was calling <span>nowax that because he said the music did all that kind of sh*t to him. </span>"Meshuggah and Opeth are good examples of Progressive Death Metal"No they are not.Opeth are Prog. metal with Harsh vocals. The harsh vocals do not make the band death metal. They lack the genre-defining riffs.Meshuggah, on the other hand, are not DM either, and are rather hard to describe, but they lack the genre-definding riffs, and can I guess be called "post-thrash."

Ok, I'll agree with you on your black metal case, which I'll go into later. But Opeth is most definitely progressive DEATH metal. I'd believe you if you said CoB are power metal with harsh black-ish vocals, cause their music has nothing in common with black metal and everything with power metal. But Opeth...they may not have have the crushingly fast riffs of Nile, or the brutal well-formed riffs of Behemoth, or the Stockholm-style Bloodbath riffs, but their riffs are heavy. You'd be joking yourself to call the Master's Apprentice riff not death metal, and there are others that are just as heavy. I don't know where you cross the line at death metal -- I'm pretty strict myself, I don't think Arsis is death metal. But to say the heavy parts of Opeth's music isn't death metal seems off. So some more explanation there would appreciated.

Anyway, some of you need to get off your ****ing high horse and stop being so pretentious about other genres of music you've never listened to. Or maybe you've heard them a couple times, but never really invested any time in trying to understand the music. I for one don't like most early 1st wave black metal, but the third wave and some 2nd wave stuff is excellent and most of it is quite progressive. There's a reason prog fans are thought of as pretentious, and it's opinions like the ones I've seen in this thread that are the reason. It seems like most of you are openminded enough to accept 70s prog rock, and then anything past that sucks becuase you, the wonderful music lover, have found the pinnacle of music. Open your eyes a bit, and you'd find there's a lot to be liked about albums like Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk, or At The Heart of Winter. Sure, 30 year old men getting on stage corpsepainted up and screeching their balls off may be stupid upon viewing it, but they are artists nonetheless and take their music seriously. So please, calling black metal immature is pretty immature in and of itself, as well as closeminded.

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Construkction wrote: Black metal is just an excuse to deferinciate themselves from other genres of metal, theres no significant change between deathmetal or dark/black/hairy metal. I used to listen to 'melodic' deathmetal such as inflames and children of bodem when i was younger but atleast they had some uplifting riff work. Ive heard afew leviathian songs, they can get pretty techinal but its so bloody depressing. This pointless explosion of genres make me nauseated.

Yes...there is a significant difference, and if you can't see the difference it's your own damn fault. Millions of metal fans see the clear difference and you not seeing it is only further proof you haven't listened to much of it. And Children of Bodom != melodeath.

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Majestic_Mayhem wrote: Crushed Aria wrote: Majestic_Mayhem wrote: Crushed Aria wrote: I wasn't even refering to you man. I was refering to nowax. I was not stereotyping Christians, I said the overly obcessed ones. Anyways, I am free to stereotype all I please. Yes?  I judge people, alot. So what is it to you?   for the second time... its nothing to me.. it just tell something about your personality... really its nothing to me...

Well, please good sir. What does it tell you about my personality? That I am a prejudiced asshole? Yeah, you don't need to tell me that.

This is what I think when I hear the term "black metal".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or Just really bad, sh*tty music with even worse image.

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King of Loss wrote: Or Just really bad, sh*tty music with even worse image.

you like dream theater, ice age, pain of salvation, the flower kings...

'nuff said

Pseud0 wrote: King of Loss wrote: Or Just really bad, sh*tty music with even worse image. you like dream theater, ice age, pain of salvation, the flower kings... 'nuff said

Hey, Pain Of Salvation isn't bad...

Dream Theater on the other hand...

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Now, back on topic...

If any of you had the slightest bit of maturity, you wouldn't be arguing like baby siblings.

To say that Black Metal is immature, and then get in a pissy argument about it is pure hypocrisy.

When the people who like Black Metal respond to the people that say it's immature, is also immature.

Conclusion:

You're all a bunch of whiners - Get over it! Some of you like Black Metal, some of you dont! End of discussion.

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Crushed Aria wrote: Majestic_Mayhem wrote: Crushed Aria wrote: Majestic_Mayhem wrote: Crushed Aria wrote: I wasn't even refering to you man. I was refering to nowax. I was not stereotyping Christians, I said the overly obcessed ones. Anyways, I am free to stereotype all I please. Yes?  I judge people, alot. So what is it to you?   for the second time... its nothing to me.. it just tell something about your personality... really its nothing to me... Well, please good sir. What does it tell you about my personality? That I am a prejudiced asshole? Yeah, you don't need to tell me that.

, for the third time! Right on! I never called you that, for the record.

And youre proud to be like that??? Thats... oh never mind...

I may have judged other people unjustly..im not all good.. but to be proud of the wrong things ive done...???? oh no... thats plain hardheadedness... very immature... thats what im thinking... thats what youre posts are telling me...

It's hard to top black metal outfits, but Gentle Giant did not do a bad job trying:

http://images.google.pl/images?hl=pl&lr=&q=+site:hom epages.ihug.co.nz+Gentle+Giant

 

Lindsay Lohan wrote: really belivie in satan and stuff and claims to be devil worshippers and stuff is just a bit childish in my opinion

Are you trying to be funny, provocative or are you just plain stupid?

Lindsay Lohan wrote: Certainly the outfits of many bands in the 70's and 80's aint exactly...umm...what you would like to wear in the streets but in addition to looking silly the black metalers that really belivie in satan and stuff and claims to be devil worshippers and stuff is just a bit childish in my opinion

Those who do sure are childish. Don't listen to their music, then. And don't listen to Charlie Parker, Syd Barrett and Led Zep, either. 

Lindsay Lohan wrote: Logos wrote: Lindsay Lohan wrote: really belivie in satan and stuff and claims to be devil worshippers and stuff is just a bit childish in my opinion Are you trying to be funny, provocative or are you just plain stupid? Oh please i am norwegian and i have seen tons of interviews with those norwegian black metal bands....great interview with that vocalist in Venom... Interviewer:"What inspires you to make music?" he sits silent for a while and then replies with a dark voice: SATAN!!! and thats pretty much how he replied to every question asked

You realize that Venom, are not even Black metal, and that they do everything as a joke?

Plenty of the BM bands do believe in Satan, and as to how that is childish, I will never know. I can say the same about Christians. Believing in a God that is a pure contradiction of itself, is quite childish and ignorant.

Why is beliving in Satan so childish? It boggles the mind.

And just so you don't question me on this, no, I do not believe in Satan. I also do not belive in the Christian god. As far as religion is concerned I have not found my "spiritual" home per say.

Anyways, I am not really surprised about the dislike for BM here, this is Prog. community, and in all reality the only reason I am here is because I like The Flower Kings and Pain of Salvation.

About the comment about Prog. Bands ALWAYS being more complex than BM bands, hah. Idiotic thought that is. If you were to listen to Diabolical Masquerade - Death's Design, you would realize that it is one of the most complex albums ever.

BUt anyways, people here have their biased opinions, so I guess it won't help to try and teach you.