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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 17:20
You have obviously never heard Ulver's early material, nor Arcturus's. They were black metal.

Dimmu Borgir and Cradle of Filth are not black metal, and nor are King Diamond.

DB, well they used to be anyways, but are now Gothic metal.
Cradle of Filth are Gothic metal, always have been, always will be.
King Diamond is Traditional Metal (aka Heavy metal)

All good bands you mentioned.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 17:28
Originally posted by Crushed Aria Crushed Aria wrote:

You have obviously never heard Ulver's early material, nor Arcturus's. They were black metal.

Dimmu Borgir and Cradle of Filth are not black metal, and nor are King Diamond.

DB, well they used to be anyways, but are now Gothic metal.
Cradle of Filth are Gothic metal, always have been, always will be.
King Diamond is Traditional Metal (aka Heavy metal)

All good bands you mentioned.


lol of course ive heard ulver's early material
their only real black metal album is nattens madrigal in my opinion.  they did have some black metal influences on the first two albums (bergtatt especially), but they were generally their own thing the whole time.
arcturus arn't black metal, not even on Aspera hiems symphonia

its not important anyway... good music is good

bad music isn't


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 17:38
Black metal is just an excuse to deferinciate themselves from other genres of metal, theres no significant change between deathmetal or dark/black/hairy metal. I used to listen to 'melodic' deathmetal such as inflames and children of bodem when i was younger but atleast they had some uplifting riff work. Ive heard afew leviathian songs, they can get pretty techinal but its so bloody depressing.

This pointless explosion of genres make me nauseated.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 17:39
I  have unfortunetly listened to this music.
I have  stopped for "psychological" reasons, because I became crazy. (wake up on the groud a night in my bedroom, screaming like in a horror film, because I thought a corpse, lenghtended by my side, was taking one of my arms).

Imagine a world, where every one is listening to BM style : not happy thing !

So I do not listen anymore to this type of music, because it is a choice of life : no hate.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 17:43
Originally posted by nowax nowax wrote:

I  have unfortunetly listened to this music.
I have  stopped for "psychological" reasons, because I became crazy. (wake up on the groud a night in my bedroom, screaming like in a horror film, because I thought a corpse, lenghtended by my side, was taking one of my arms).

Imagine a world, where every one is listening to BM style : not happy thing !

So I do not listen anymore to this type of music, because it is a choice of life : no hate.




Agreed! - its all hate hate hate.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 17:43
^ are you dumb
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 17:51
Aspera hiems symphonia is actually Melodic Black metal, keyboards don't make the album non-Black metal =)

Ulver's Bergtatt and nattens madrigal are the only black metal albums (mind you they have folk influences), their second, album is pure folk.

Anyways, as for those two morons, it wasn't Black metal that f**ked you up, it was your dumbass.

Black metal is easily differentiated from Death metal, and while I would like to provide examples, you wouldn't listen to them

Also, not all BM is hate based, and even if it is, you have to be a f**king pussy to be affected by it. ANyways, to prove my point here are some lyrics from the band: Solefald.

Originally posted by Solefald - Philosophical Revolt, from the album The Linear Scaffold Solefald - Philosophical Revolt, from the album The Linear Scaffold wrote:

Luna plina - lift your veil of silver
Red wine rebellion - drown yourself in vain
Control and strength - cultivating sense
Regressive dreams - living in the past
Atmosfear - emptiness inside
Disintegration - scatered sence of life

Realised impermanence - the sunrise of the human mind
Realised perfection - artwork out of body
Realised corruption - artwork out of mind
Remaining permanence - the sunset of the human mind

Confucios, Lao - Tse,
Socrates, Plato,
Schopenhauer, Nietzche,
Sartre & Beauvoir

Defend the name of nobility itself
The art of intellectual reflection
My mistress of mental desire
- Not bound to rules nor form

- philosophy -


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 17:55
Your right I wouldnt listen to it, I've heard enough of it to state my opinion, and yeah im a pussy because i don't like it - maybey BM made you this irrational. :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 17:58
Originally posted by Crushed Aria Crushed Aria wrote:

You have obviously never heard Ulver's early material, nor Arcturus's. They were black metal.

Dimmu Borgir and Cradle of Filth are not black metal, and nor are King Diamond.

DB, well they used to be anyways, but are now Gothic metal.
Cradle of Filth are Gothic metal, always have been, always will be.
King Diamond is Traditional Metal (aka Heavy metal)

All good bands you mentioned.


Well, tell me what bands are black metal then... Is (early) Satyricon, Darkthrone, Dimmu Borgir, Emperor, Immortal, Carpathian Forest, Mayhem, Dark Funeral, Dødheimsgaard, etc etc... not black metal ? OF COURSE they are, and those bands are some of the most pathetic I can imagine. For God's sake, look at them.

I don't care how talented musicians they might be. On some level, they are extremely immature.

http://ruthlessreviews.com/top10/10blackmetal2.html

(Mature, intellectual musicians for sure!)

Ulver isn't black metal at all. However, they were on their first albums, and those were ridiculous.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 18:04
Originally posted by Construkction Construkction wrote:

Your right I wouldnt listen to it, I've heard enough of it to state my opinion, and yeah im a pussy because i don't like it - maybey BM made you this irrational. :)


Same thing for me.

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 18:10
Satyricon, Darkthrone, Dimmu Borgir, Emperor, Immortal, Carpathian Forest, Mayhem, Dark Funeral, Dødheimsgaard

Yes, all of those bands have been, or were at one point in time.

The fact that they have different ideals from you does not make them mature, they stand up for what they believe in and do it wether or not it gives them sh*t from people who don't like their way of thinking. Their strong and firm convictions to their unpopular beliefs makes them indeed very mature.

I also, do not really see what is so "immature" about Emperor.

You obviously have never divuleged into the BM underground, where you have many bands, like the ones I mentioned that write very philosophical lyrics and the like. It isn't all "gay for Satan" stuff.

I was not calling anyone a pussy for not liking metal, I said that you have to be a pussy, to be AFFECTED by the music, that or a f**king overly obcessed Christian.

Their first and third albums were black metal, and how they are "rediculous" is beyond me. They are two of the most atmospheric and beautiful albums you will ever hear.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 18:18
Originally posted by Crushed Aria Crushed Aria wrote:

Satyricon, Darkthrone, Dimmu Borgir, Emperor, Immortal, Carpathian Forest, Mayhem, Dark Funeral, Dødheimsgaard

Yes, all of those bands have been, or were at one point in time.

The fact that they have different ideals from you does not make them mature, they stand up for what they believe in and do it wether or not it gives them sh*t from people who don't like their way of thinking. Their strong and firm convictions to their unpopular beliefs makes them indeed very mature.

I also, do not really see what is so "immature" about Emperor.

You obviously have never divuleged into the BM underground, where you have many bands, like the ones I mentioned that write very philosophical lyrics and the like. It isn't all "gay for Satan" stuff.

I was not calling anyone a pussy for not liking metal, I said that you have to be a pussy, to be AFFECTED by the music, that or a f**king overly obcessed Christian.

Their first and third albums were black metal, and how they are "rediculous" is beyond me. They are two of the most atmospheric and beautiful albums you will ever hear.


So now your stereotyping christians? ANYONE can listen to any type of music. When you said i'd have to be a pussy to be affected by this type of music you are basically calling me a pussy for not liking it - because thats all i mentioned in my post.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 18:20
I wasn't even refering to you man. I was refering to nowax.

I was not stereotyping Christians, I said the overly obcessed ones. Anyways, I am free to stereotype all I please.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 18:20
Originally posted by Construkction Construkction wrote:

Your right I wouldnt listen to it, I've heard enough of it to state my
opinion, and yeah im a pussy because i don't like it - maybey BM made
you this irrational. :)



hahaha. I have to agree with you.

I like some types of metal with screaming and such, i don't listen to it much though...

Meshuggah and Opeth are good examples of Progressive Death Metal.

However, I don't think it defines whether someone is a female genetalia because they don't like "Black Metal" or any of these similar genres.

I have to say I think people that think other people are "pussies" because they don't listen to a certain type of music are just plain stupid.

I'd rather be called a pussy then to pretend I liked somethign that I didn't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 18:26
So you don't care if you look like a jackass lol?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 18:30
Isn't it ironic that this thread is more psychadelic than any early Pink Floyd or Hawkwind thread?
"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 18:36
I had not called him a pussy because he didn't like the music, I fully respect peoples right to dislike the music. I was calling nowax that because he said the music did all that kind of sh*t to him.

"Meshuggah and Opeth are good examples of Progressive Death Metal"

No they are not.

Opeth are Prog. metal with Harsh vocals. The harsh vocals do not make the band death metal. They lack the genre-defining riffs.

Meshuggah, on the other hand, are not DM either, and are rather hard to describe, but they lack the genre-definding riffs, and can I guess be called "post-thrash."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 18:51
Meshuggah are easy to describe, they are progressive metal with "harsh" vocals as you put it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 18:55
I guess so, in a sense. Though, they differ alot from most Prog. Metal bands. It is really the only way to classify them under a real genre. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 18:58

Originally posted by Crushed Aria Crushed Aria wrote:

I wasn't even refering to you man. I was refering to nowax.

I was not stereotyping Christians, I said the overly obcessed ones. Anyways, I am free to stereotype all I please.



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