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Eddy

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Posted: January 30 2006 at 18:23

Both bands are good. i go with yes.

Zargus

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Posted: January 30 2006 at 18:30

You cant love em all, you can only have one favorite and all the CDs and LPs from the other bands must be burned! Mwahahahah!

Anyway there can only be one best prog band and it can only be VDGG!! but since they got sush a small fan base i gues it will be a hard fight for us against the great armys of the other giants but i will never surrender! or meby we shuld let the Genesis and Yes legions destroy themself first and then meby we can get Pawn hearts too #1 where it belongs

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Posted: January 30 2006 at 18:52

I could never understand why "Close to the Edge" and "Selling England by the Pound" are considered to be at the very top; they are rather conventional records. But it is the same everywhere: The more average something is, the higher the probability many will like it. There are so many exceptional prog records out there that have by far more original ideas on them than "Close to the Edge" or "Selling England by the Pound". And don't misunderstand me, I am not saying they are bad records, they are just not outstanding and exceptional. They lack true daring.
I'd go for some Magma record like Syzygy or for Mother Gong's "Fairy Tales" (Mother Gong should have been added to the archive long ago, by the way). Yes or Genesis - I don't really care. If I had to choose a record by them, I'd go for "Relayer" and "The Lamb", which are both way superior to CttE and TLLdoB.
Ok, and now I will run for cover.

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Eddy

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Posted: January 30 2006 at 18:56

are you saying that just because its popular or because it has popness in it that it is weak?

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Posted: January 30 2006 at 19:07

I won't be participating in this battle. I will not die for Yes and Genesis. I wouldn't even fight for Tull.
"Would you be the fool stood in his suit of armor or the wiser man who rushes clear?"

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Posted: January 30 2006 at 19:07

Eddy wrote:

are you saying that just because its popular or because it has popness in it that it is weak?

Read again; I never said the albums were "weak", I just said they are not extraordinary.

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Rashikal

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Posted: January 30 2006 at 19:12

i enjoy Yes, the prog and "sellout" poppy versions.

i never could like genesis, i tried, i just never felt it...

listen to Hella

Peter

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Posted: January 30 2006 at 19:32

BaldFriede wrote:

Eddy wrote:

are you saying that just because its popular or because it has popness in it that it is weak?

Read again; I never said the albums were "weak", I just said they are not extraordinary.

Well, they each give me an extraordinary amount of pleasure -- that is what determines my level of fondness for music -- not its "daring" or level of experimentation. (And each was very original in its day, no?)

Case in point: I greatly prefer to listen to Beethoven's more conventional 6th symphony, over his unconventional "difficult" and "daring" 9th, overall.

We each listen in different ways -- your approcah seems to be more "intellectual" (that is valid) mine more "instinctive" (that is equally valid, I think).

Head vs heart vs some of each.... Ying Yang

BTW, lyrics really mean a lot to me, and those on SEBTP can really move me -- other music fans seem not to concern themselves much with lyrics.

Different strokes....

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Posted: January 30 2006 at 19:42

Peter wrote:

BaldFriede wrote:

Eddy wrote:

are you saying that just because its popular or because it has popness in it that it is weak?

Read again; I never said the albums were "weak", I just said they are not extraordinary.

Well, they each give me an extraordinary amount of pleasure -- that is what determines my level of fondness for music -- not it's "daring" or level of experimentation. (And each was very original in its day, no?)

Very well put - Close To The Edge and SEBTP somehow appeal to 90% of prog fans, thus there has to be something special in those albums, some kind of hook that other albums don't have.

And I don't believe in the term "overrated", if an album is rated high, it is rated so highly by people who honestly love it, so I think it's fair

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Posted: January 30 2006 at 19:48

YES v. GENESIS v. KING CRIMSON v. JETHRO TULL!

GENTLE GIANT and VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR fight all comers!

CAMEL remains peaceful with all!

And only EMERSON, LAKE, AND PALMER can save the day!

In the end... there will only be dust... and neo-prog...

Life is like an avantgarde play because tuna.

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Posted: January 30 2006 at 19:54

oh this should be fun..... I've already made a few posts and to B.S. nature of the supposed classic status anointed on several Genesis albums. Calling it a classic doesn't make it one hahahha. Fanboyism run amuck.

fires up a T-34 and looks for someone to run over....

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Posted: January 30 2006 at 19:57

Alagithil wrote:

YES v. GENESIS v. KING CRIMSON v. JETHRO TULL!

GENTLE GIANT and VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR fight all comers!

CAMEL remains peaceful with all!

And only EMERSON, LAKE, AND PALMER can save the day!

In the end... there will only be dust... and neo-prog...

ha ha, like cockroaches, you just can't kill that neo-prog

Losendos

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Posted: January 31 2006 at 17:40

The only way to decide this is to stage a world tour with double header concerts and stick an applause meter in each arena.

Yes Anderson Howe Squire Bruford Wakeman Versus

Genesis Gabriel Banks Rutherford Collins Hackett

How wonderful to be so profound

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Posted: February 01 2006 at 04:36

BaldFriede wrote:

I could never understand why "Close to the Edge" and "Selling England by the Pound" are considered to be at the very top; they are rather conventional records... There are so many exceptional prog records out there that have by far more original ideas on them than "Close to the Edge" or "Selling England by the Pound". And don't misunderstand me, I am not saying they are bad records, they are just not outstanding and exceptional. They lack true daring...

Sorry, most of the times you are the very voice of reason, but this time I strongly disagree with you. Close To The Edge (not one of my personal favourite Yes records, to prove my objectivity) is daring allright. The first and the last track are very original and innovating. And You And I isn't as daring, but it's still a unique track, and the album as a whole is immensely progressive.

Selling England is not as "far out" as Foxtrot, but it's still a wonderful trip into a totally original imaginary world. It may be not the most daring album they made, but it's still very new and otherworldly.

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Posted: February 01 2006 at 07:49

Love 'em both. Two of my favorite bands actually

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Jools

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Posted: February 01 2006 at 08:01

There's no one left alive, must be a draw.

So the Black Cat Barons toss a coin to settle the score.

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Igha

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Posted: February 01 2006 at 08:07

Kotro wrote:

Any weapons are allowed, from sharpened vynils and sawed guitar necks to Rick Wakeman or Phil Collins solo records.

Mhh..I guess that fighting with Collins's solo records won't be a really good idea.

Seriously, I believe it's extremely stupid this fight over who ocuppies the first place. I like Genesis a lot more than Yes but, as I have said a couple of times I really enjoy both records (CTTE and SEBTP) and I don't care which one ocuppies the first spot, it's pretty childish I guess...
With all the disgusting and crappy music that floods the radio and tv everywhere we can't be arguing between each other!

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Posted: February 01 2006 at 08:21

Its all Jon Anderson's fault such a violent violent man

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Posted: February 01 2006 at 08:40

s1ipp3ry wrote:

Its all Jon Anderson's fault such a violent violent man

Actually lauged my head off at that

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Manunkind

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Posted: February 01 2006 at 08:41

I'm with BaldFriede on this one - one can talk about Yes and Genesis being extraordinary, but this 'extraordinary world' one enters when listening to their albums is one's own personal world, a work of one's own imagination triggered by listening to these albums. It's subjective.

At the same time the 'technical', 'musicological' (don't know if I'm using the words correctly here) aspects of a piece of music are definitely objective. I'm no musician, but BaldFriede is one, and I'm certain she has a firm grip on these issues. This is why I agree with her that Yes' and Genesis' masterpieces aren't really special from that point of view.

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