Pink Floyd, an open discussion

You rated A momentary Lapse of Reason and The Division Bell higher than Piper at the gates of Dawn? What the f**k is this? Sick joke! TDB and AMLOR come from that gloriously sh*te era when Dave Gilmour was dredging the barrel seeing exactly what sh*te he could produce and still make money (usually from gullible yanks who didn't know the difference anyway) using the Pinko Floyd franchise... sick tacky crap music, ages much worse than Piper... AMLOR is a 2nd rate 80s porno soundtrack with about 2 good ideas... The obligatary "hit single" was Learning to Fly, a god awful synth driven piece of 80s cack with a good video, so naturally to the new found materialistic earless Pink Floyd Franchise fan, this was good yeah? Remember P.U.L.S.E? 3 sad old men, a bunch of bemulleted session musicians and an excellent lazer show becuase the music was either flogging past glories or new and completely unlistenable sh*t of the worst nature?

hawkbrock wrote: You rated A momentary Lapse of Reason and The Division Bell higher than Piper at the gates of Dawn? What the f**k is this? Sick joke! TDB and AMLOR come from that gloriously sh*te era when Dave Gilmour was dredging the barrel seeing exactly what sh*te he could produce and still make money (usually from gullible yanks who didn't know the difference anyway) using the Pinko Floyd franchise... sick tacky crap music, ages much worse than Piper... AMLOR is a 2nd rate 80s porno soundtrack with about 2 good ideas... The obligatary "hit single" was Learning to Fly, a god awful synth driven piece of 80s cack with a good video, so naturally to the new found materialistic earless Pink Floyd Franchise fan, this was good yeah? Remember P.U.L.S.E? 3 sad old men, a bunch of bemulleted session musicians and an excellent lazer show becuase the music was either flogging past glories or new and completely unlistenable sh*t of the worst nature?

Each to his own. Perhaps he just likes Neo Prog more than you? The post-Waters PF albums have much in common with Neo Prog.

hawkbrock wrote: You rated A momentary Lapse of Reason and The Division Bell higher than Piper at the gates of Dawn? What the f**k is this? Sick joke! TDB and AMLOR come from that gloriously sh*te era when Dave Gilmour was dredging the barrel seeing exactly what sh*te he could produce and still make money (usually from gullible yanks who didn't know the difference anyway) using the Pinko Floyd franchise... sick tacky crap music, ages much worse than Piper... AMLOR is a 2nd rate 80s porno soundtrack with about 2 good ideas... The obligatary "hit single" was Learning to Fly, a god awful synth driven piece of 80s cack with a good video, so naturally to the new found materialistic earless Pink Floyd Franchise fan, this was good yeah? Remember P.U.L.S.E? 3 sad old men, a bunch of bemulleted session musicians and an excellent lazer show becuase the music was either flogging past glories or new and completely unlistenable sh*t of the worst nature?

Yeah, and I bet i'm not the only one

Have you actually LISTENED to The Division Bell. The songs are so powerful. If this didn't have the Pink Floyd name on it (Actually I don't think it does heh) you wouldn't be moanin much. Such Clarity and perfection to that album, it'll never sound old. Piper... does slightly. As for the MONEY part. Yeah like they already didn't have enough money  How many copies of DSOTM has been sold? Recently Gilmour turned down a 150 MILLION!!!!!!! deal to do another tour. So your arguement is pretty crappy, especially the way he gives a lot of his dosh to charity

I agree with allmost everything the only thing i dont agree with is 3 star to Piper and 4,5 to The wall bothe of em are 5 star.

ah, Pink Floyd, the first prog band I liked...

• Piper at the Gates of Dawn **** Great example of British Psychedelia, fresh and funny.
• A Saucerful of Secrets **** A bit darker, but a great experimental album 
• More *** Some nice tunes, nothing special
• Ummagumma ****½ The live set is as good as Pink Floyd gets and ever will be! The studio disc has plenty of great moments...
• Atom Heart Mother ***** Superb symphonic accomplishment!
• Meddle **** Great record!
• Dark Side of the Moon ***½ A bit overrated, but a classic nevertheless!
• Wish You Were Here ***½ as above
• Animals ***** Dark prog masterpiece!
• The Wall **½ Overrated!
• The Final Cut ***½ Great personal Roger Waters album, full of emotion and anger.
• A Momentary Lapse of Reason  The worst piece of uninspirering and boring material I've ever heard
• The Division Bell   Not as bad a Momentary..., but close.

Yes pre 'Dark Side Pink Floyd' is what I prefer the most, and I also have a very hard time 'accepting' Piper rated lower than Momentary and Division Bell, but personal tastes differ, nothing I can do about it, but I find it very strange!

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Last night visited a friend. He played the In The Flesh live dvd . I was blown away, never heard it before. Pigs on the wing-part 1, Dogs and It's a miracle are great ! Even though that is Water's dvd but the Pink Floyd songs are classics. Listen to them for years now and never grow tired of them.

Recently discoverd Animals again, and I played it a lot the last few days. Love it. Wish you were here still the favorite. Unique band !!

 

ummagumma08 wrote: ah, Pink Floyd, the first prog band I liked... Piper at the Gates of Dawn **** Great example of British Psychedelia, fresh and funny. A Saucerful of Secrets **** A bit darker, but a great experimental album  More *** Some nice tunes, nothing special Ummagumma ****½ The live set is as good as Pink Floyd gets and ever will be! The studio disc has plenty of great moments... Atom Heart Mother ***** Superb symphonic accomplishment! Meddle **** Great record! Dark Side of the Moon ***½ A bit overrated, but a classic nevertheless! Wish You Were Here ***½ as above Animals ***** Dark prog masterpiece! The Wall **½ Overrated! The Final Cut ***½ Great personal Roger Waters album, full of emotion and anger. A Momentary Lapse of Reason  The worst piece of uninspirering and boring material I've ever heard The Division Bell   Not as bad a Momentary..., but close. Yes pre 'Dark Side Pink Floyd' is what I prefer the most, and I also have a very hard time 'accepting' Piper rated lower than Momentary and Division Bell, but personal tastes differ, nothing I can do about it, but I find it very strange!

You would rate A Saucerful of Secrets over Dark Side and Wish You Were Here?! Hmmmmm, I wonder if that's only because of the success those records had....

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Horza, I might agree with you there.

WYWH is one of the, if not the, best prog albums of all time.

^I will say Ummagumma, but as my favorite Floyd album

• Piper
• A Saucerful Of Secrets
• Ummagumma
• More
• Atom Heart Mother
• Live At Pompeii
• Meddle
• Obscured By Clouds
• DSOTM
• Wish You
• Animals
• The Wall
• The Wall(film)
• Final Cut

 

My journry into rock music(long before I discovered prog) started with them, but it took years to appreciate the early stuff

Ummagumma will eat you!

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• 10 The Piper at the Gates of Dawn
• 7 A Saucerful of secrets
• 9.5 Ummagumma
• 7.5 More
• 9 Atom Heart Mother
• 11 Meddle
• 8 Obscured by clouds 
• 10 The Dark Side of the Moon
• 10 Wish You Were Here
• 10 Animals
• 8.5 The Wall
• 8.5 The Final Cut
• 8 A Momentary Lapse of Reason
• 7.5 The Division Bell

Essentials highlighted

I rated out of a possible 10 points instead of 5, to be more accurate.

About whether I prefere Waters era or Gilmour, I would have to vote Waters since there are clearly more orriginal ideas and more albums. Gilmour era is not bad just lacking some due to new ideas and concepts but overall is a nice ending to a band.

I think Syd was a genious among opening his mind and being orriginal. Roger was the master of conceptual ideas and looked at the grand picture of things, not focusing on detail, and I like that. Rick is a great player no matter what any of you say, he had more feeling than Emerson even though he was slower. Gilmour is a great player and writes decent songs by himself, and Nick was essential to the band because he helped Roger with ideas and concepts although he also failed to get into details. As a drummer he absolutely fits the style of the band and is perfect for being a Pink Floyd drummer. Roger is an average bassist who could use a little more teaching, but overall fits the bands style, he was and still is a great song writer.

It's to bad the band didn't work together more, it is clear that they were best when they did. To many albums suffer from the band working seperately and not helping eachother contribute ideas in the studio, but in concert no one could touch them, they worked great together in concert for some reason.

Meddle is my favorite, it is the album when they finnally get the accoustic sound right. Their experimentation and jamming techniques are perfected in "One of these days" and "Echoes" as well as "Seamus". Double bass techniques, wind machines, gut-wrenching guitar solo's, dogs that are adding the perfect element of sadness to a blues song, experimental guitar and organ sound effects, slow motion voices, and even voices from a football game to give backing support the the claim that "you will never walk alone", not only is that prog thinking but it is played in a way that only a prog artist can play it. Lyrical perfection is acheived when it comes to imagery, metaphor, and feeling. This album is also a great example of each member working together collaboratively without any anger among them being apparent, unlike any of the later albums.

Human emotion is perfectly presented. Emotions such as sadness, happiness, humor, anger, optimism, loneliness, laziness, confusion, jealousy, and love are presented musically in a way that touches the soul that no other album can do for me. I promise each and every one of these emotions is shown, whether it be through lyrics, sound effects, or in the music itself and if you don't believe me go ahead and find them yourself.

That preety much is my review for my favorite album by my favorite band. Second favorite would be a tie between the other essential albums I highlighted.

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