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Points: 19301 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2005 at 16:26
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

Not so with Ayreon; they are so synthetic, derivative and preposterous, they are laughable, and frankly are living evidence of all the overblown, pompous self importance that prog has been (often unjustly) accused of by its detractors for many years.

Pure idiocy. You should do yourself a favour and watch the Star One DVD. You'll find that Ayreon (and Arjen in particular) are very down-to-earth musicians. Why do you have to be so over the top with your bashing? Remember: THE is quite high in the top 100. Please don't insult the Ayreon fans more than necessary. You don't like them, many others do ... get over it.

Yeah, 'Down to Earth' musicians who get you to file their one album under Space Metal...
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Fandango!

How's the drinking going? You like Ayreon a bit better?
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Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

Not so with Ayreon; they are so synthetic, derivative and preposterous, they are laughable, and frankly are living evidence of all the overblown, pompous self importance that prog has been (often unjustly) accused of by its detractors for many years.

Pure idiocy. You should do yourself a favour and watch the Star One DVD. You'll find that Ayreon (and Arjen in particular) are very down-to-earth musicians. Why do you have to be so over the top with your bashing? Remember: THE is quite high in the top 100. Please don't insult the Ayreon fans more than necessary. You don't like them, many others do ... get over it.

Yeah, 'Down to Earth' musicians who get you to file their one album under Space Metal...

Space Metal really fits, what's the problem?

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Points: 2530 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2005 at 16:37
i like both - i treat lists as suggestions only and check out bands i'm interested in , if i had to choose one over the other it would GFTO
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I think I've said enough, and shall leave this thread alone now....the last thing I want to do is upset people whose musical judgment I otherwise respect...

Terrific set of album covers you've got there Mike....
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I prefer “Going for the One” to “the Human Equation”

even though it is a very unique and strange album.
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The Human Equation is better than any Yes Lp. Now the rest of Ayreon's catalog is tripe including Into the Electric Castle.
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Points: 9226 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2006 at 21:19

 

Every rating is subjective ... how can you know that your point of view is the right one?. Isn't it possible that some of the modern albums in the top 100 are indeed as good (or even better) than many of the classic albums?

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I agree, and lots and lots of subjective reviews produce an objective average rating...

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Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

The Human Equation is better than any Yes Lp.

now that's blasphemy....

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I prefer by far The Human Equation...

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Originally posted by Ed_The_Dead Ed_The_Dead wrote:

Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ what's funny about it?

I think that Lovecraft has summed it up rather ably...

Well.. Why don't we start another "Delusional Old Farts vs Young pseudo prog wannabees" thread?
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Originally posted by CrazyDiamond CrazyDiamond wrote:

The Human Equation is better than GFTO, it rules!

Ditto



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Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

^^^ I was lent 'Into The Electric Castle' a few years ago by a guy who went to the CRS gigs in Rotherham, which I didn't like very much for the reasons I have given (Rock Opera my foot)....but I recently gave them a 2nd chance and The Universal Migrator is even worse, if that's possible....

Also, I realise that GFTO isn't a Sacred Cow, but I also remember saying to you before, that if anyone asked me to pick one single track to explain to someone why I loved prog, it would be Awaken...it's quite possibly my all time fave...which is why I just can't believe its being bashed in favour of Ayreon!!!

I couldnt agree more. Into the Electric Castle is over-rated. While it is well made and has a great cast to perform it, it just comes off as emotionless and cold to me. The Universal Migrator is just horrible and The Final Countdown is just silly and cheesy.

With that said, The Human Equation is great. Ayreon finally got it right on this one. Even bad bands can get it right once...eh? Fortunately for me, i had purchased this one 1st, or else I might have been in the same opinion about it as you are.
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Points: 19301 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2006 at 17:16
Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

^^^ I was lent 'Into The Electric Castle' a few years ago by a guy who went to the CRS gigs in Rotherham, which I didn't like very much for the reasons I have given (Rock Opera my foot)....but I recently gave them a 2nd chance and The Universal Migrator is even worse, if that's possible....

Also, I realise that GFTO isn't a Sacred Cow, but I also remember saying to you before, that if anyone asked me to pick one single track to explain to someone why I loved prog, it would be Awaken...it's quite possibly my all time fave...which is why I just can't believe its being bashed in favour of Ayreon!!!

I couldnt agree more. Into the Electric Castle is over-rated. While it is well made and has a great cast to perform it, it just comes off as emotionless and cold to me. The Universal Migrator is just horrible and The Final Countdown is just silly and cheesy.

With that said, The Human Equation is great. Ayreon finally got it right on this one. Even bad bands can get it right once...eh? Fortunately for me, i had purchased this one 1st, or else I might have been in the same opinion about it as you are.

Thanks Greg...   while I had hoped that this thread had been long dead and buried by now (I'm sure no-one likes to see senior members squabbling over musical differences, and I know I went over the top and pissed people off in the previous pages...)...

I will say that your view is possibly the most reasonable one offered, and some time I just may check out THE, and try and give it a fair hearing.....
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