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    Posted: December 31 2005 at 16:28
I think Meatloaf/Jim Steinman deserve to be on this site. They have some
really cool songs. Jim Steinman writes some good rock opera. They only
have 2 studio albums, but they're worth a listen.
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Hmmm....I suppose if you were really, really, really pushing to categorise Meatloaf as prog, the one song 'Bat Out Of Hell' has a tinge of it, but not enough to really go the whole hog and call it full blown prog. As for the rest of their output?? Sure, it's overblown and gargantuan but this doesn't really equal prog. Meatloaf only made one album of any real worth- the debut 'Bat Out Of Hell'- which is really just heavy rock mixed with pop. The rest of it had all of the bombast, but none of the charm...
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No, Just No! I... NO! They can not be!! No... Rock opera's do not make someone prog! Nor do cool songs! There too... unproggy.
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Originally posted by GPFR GPFR wrote:

No, Just No! I... NO! They can not be!! No... Rock opera's do not make someone prog! Nor do cool songs! There too... unproggy.

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I always mention him as one of my favorite artists, and I really believe Jim Steinman's piano compositions are very proggy sometimes.

BUT NO WAY, Meatloaf is hardrock/Country/Rockabilly all mixed.

Very talented, incredible voice but not even Prog Related.

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PS: I like Bat Out of Hell II much more than the first one.
            
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Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

I always mention him as one of my favorite artists, and I really believe Jim Steinman's piano compositions are very proggy sometimes.

BUT NO WAY, Meatloaf is hardrock/Country/Rockabilly all mixed.

Very talented, incredible voice but not even Prog Related.

Iván

PS: I like Bat Out of Hell II much more than the first one.
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Bat Out Of Hell is one of the albums that made my years as a teen ager, and I thought everyoneof these songs were written for me personally

 

 

I love it , but outside of Steiman's first solo qalbum, I never found that samegrace after or sibe.

Not prog, though!

Prog-related maybe, because there are a lot of things going on in the music



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No. Just... no.
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Cygnus X-1: Even with its four exclamation marks, your 'no' to Meatloaf looks really feeble compared to the 'yes' in your sig
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Bat out of hell would be in my top 10 albums, but prog? Maybe the title track of that album, as suggested before. The rest: no.
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Meatloaf deserves to be in the Archives as much as Queen, Jethro Tull and ELO.
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Originally posted by Kotro Kotro wrote:

Meatloaf deserves to be in the Archives as much as Queen, Jethro Tull and ELO.

Well ELO arent here...but Tull!!!! If Thick as a Brick or Passion Play aint prog, then prog doesnt exist!
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Originally posted by Kotro Kotro wrote:

Meatloaf deserves to be in the Archives as much as Queen, Jethro Tull and ELO.

WHAT??????????

  1. Queen maybe is a bit forced, but their first album and Bohenmian Rhaosoidy are very Proggy.
  2. Jethro Tull????????? What have you smoked in New Year??? Jethro is one of the icons of Progressive Rock.
  3. ELO: It's not even in Prog Archives

Meatloaf has one Proggy song in his wholñe career and it's "I Would Do Anything for Love (But I Won't Do That)" Jim Steinman's piano is absolutely proggy, great changes and Meatloaf's voce fit perfectly, but when you add Mrs Loud (Lorraine Crosby) absolutely incredible voice, you got a Prog Mini Opera.

But one song isn't enough to be Prog or even Prog Related.

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Points: 2771 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2006 at 21:35
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Originally posted by Kotro Kotro wrote:

Meatloaf deserves to be in the Archives as much as Queen, Jethro Tull and ELO.

WHAT??????????

  1. Queen maybe is a bit forced, but their first album and Bohenmian Rhaosoidy are very Proggy.
  2. Jethro Tull????????? What have you smoked in New Year??? Jethro is one of the icons of Progressive Rock.
  3. ELO: It's not even in Prog Archives

Meatloaf has one Proggy song in his wholñe career and it's "I Would Do Anything for Love (But I Won't Do That)" Jim Steinman's piano is absolutely proggy, great changes and Meatloaf's voce fit perfectly, but when you add Mrs Loud (Lorraine Crosby) absolutely incredible voice, you got a Prog Mini Opera.

But one song isn't enough to be Prog or even Prog Related.

Iván 

Just a small pedantic opinion ... but I'd say that the actual song Bat Out Of Hell is the most proggy track he's done ...

but yes even with selective discography I probably wouldn't add Meatloaf here

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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Kotro Kotro wrote:

Meatloaf deserves to be in the Archives as much as Queen, Jethro Tull and ELO.

Well ELO arent here...

Not so fast, young Skywalker... http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAN D.asp?band_id=2259

 

And there is a LOT that is really progressive about Meatloaf/Steinman's offerings - the 1st "Bat..." LP is packed with amazing arrangements that Steinman brought from his Broadway background. It's hugely underestimated, IMO - the later Meatloaf stuff is generally watered-down in comparison.

Yes, the core is Rock and Roll, but the over-the-top orchestrations lift it way above standard Rock - that much is blatantly obvious.

Yes the tunes are accessible - but don't confuse inaccessibility with Prog Rock.

I would have been hesitant about their inclusion here before I saw that ELO had made it, but now it seems logical.

 
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Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Originally posted by Kotro Kotro wrote:

Meatloaf deserves to be in the Archives as much as Queen, Jethro Tull and ELO.

WHAT??????????

  1. Queen maybe is a bit forced, but their first album and Bohenmian Rhaosoidy are very Proggy.
  2. Jethro Tull????????? What have you smoked in New Year??? Jethro is one of the icons of Progressive Rock.
  3. ELO: It's not even in Prog Archives

Meatloaf has one Proggy song in his wholñe career and it's "I Would Do Anything for Love (But I Won't Do That)" Jim Steinman's piano is absolutely proggy, great changes and Meatloaf's voce fit perfectly, but when you add Mrs Loud (Lorraine Crosby) absolutely incredible voice, you got a Prog Mini Opera.

But one song isn't enough to be Prog or even Prog Related.

Iván 

I'm still a bit pissed that JT (who I absolutely adore) are in the archives when other more blatant and dare I say better Folk-Prog groups were left out... Like Alan Stivell and Tri Yann (or anything to come out of Bretagne, for that matter), not to mention Steeleye Span...

And yeah, I smoked a bit between Christmas and New Year's...
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Originally posted by Kotro Kotro wrote:

I'm still a bit pissed that JT (who I absolutely adore) are in the archives when other more blatant and dare I say better Folk-Prog groups were left out... Like Alan Stivell and Tri Yann (or anything to come out of Bretagne, for that matter), not to mention Steeleye Span...

There's a difference, Jethro Tull is not a 100% Folk Prog band, Jethro has a lot of other components (Blues oriented Fusion and clear Simphonic), Jethro is one of those bands that should be included in two or more categories.

Jethro is a first line Prog band as Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, ELP ,etc, it's not fair to compare them with a Rock/Disco band with orchestral arrangements like ELO, that if ever is included (Cert, I believe it's only being discussed by now, their inclusion is not definitive) will be in Prog Related as much.

I love Steeleye Span but they are Celtic Folk, nothing less and nothing more, they don't have a Prog component like other Folk Celtic bands like Fairport Convention that will be included, the same goes for Alan Stivel and I can't give an opinion about Tri-Yann because never heard them.

And yeah, I smoked a bit between Christmas and New Year's..

Good for you,  I only been with my old friend the booze.

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Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Kotro Kotro wrote:

Meatloaf deserves to be in the Archives as much as Queen, Jethro Tull and ELO.

Well ELO arent here...

Not so fast, young Skywalker... http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAN D.asp?band_id=2259

 

 

My statement was made before their inclusion. And that inclusion itself ewas taken on by one person. No discussion was involved. I will put Meat Loaf on the list however.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

My statement was made before their inclusion. And that inclusion itself ewas taken on by one person. No discussion was involved. I will put Meat Loaf in the bin,however.

Nice one Snowy...

However,to me,Bat Out Of Hell is prog-related.Much as I despise it,it has as much progginess as Queen or Supertramp's best offerings.
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