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Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

We're fighting Al Queda insurgents.

JEEZZ! Don't you know the enemy is? See what I mean about confusion?

And of course you found them in Iraq....

 
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Oh and by the way - happy new year to one and all -peace.
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Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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the American and British public (not just 'English' stonebeard) were lied to - Sadam was an ally when Iran was the bogey man and his arnaments came from Uncle Sam - The tyrant was removed and I 'm happy about that - BUT - we were misinformed (FACT).
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Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Yes, what was I thinking!!!! Americans did indeed cause all those terrorist bombings in England and Spain!!! The American people brought 9/11 upon themselves.

Now you are using your brains......see the truth in those statements.......Stern Smile

Would it not be fair then to say that the English brought the bombings upon themselves then?

The British govt did yes.It was not acting on the will of the people-the majority of Brits were against our involvement unlike our American cousins....

It's not my fault if there are some brain-washed, Bush-following-to-the-death, manics who will follow the President and his propaganda until the very end of the world. This is not my fault, nor is the war. And remember, those who supported the war, or at least most of them who were so unlucky as to fall under the hypnotic spell of the White House and CIA propaganda ("false intelligence") actually believed their country was going to be attacked again.

You must remember, two planes didn't crash into London and killl nearly 3,000 of your citizens.

 

We've all suffered from terrorist atrocities,I live 13 miles from Manchester and 20 miles from Warrington....200 miles from London

Nor should we forget whose citizens were the chief benefactors of the IRA ....

 
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Points: 1695 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2005 at 14:39
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:


Wow, I never thought you could actually write something so stupid, ignorant, and completely biased, but here I am reading it.



Wow, I never thought you could actually write something so stupid, ignorant, and completely biased, but here I am reading it.......Stonebeard!!!



Yes, what was I thinking!!!! Americans did indeed cause all those terrorist bombings in England and Spain!!! The American people brought 9/11 upon themselves.


Well Stone, Tony is what I call a victim of gray-brainwashing. People like him look at things through gray eyeballs. To them, there's no good or evil. No good guys or bad guys. Everything is nuanced. We must learn to understand the actions of terrorists and sympathize with them. Everytime an atrocity is committed, they try to find some "good" in it. And of course vice versa. It's really a very confusing mental state. But they call it an open mind. But in reality it's basically having no direction at all.


Your problem is that if your side perpetrate a terrorist atrocity it isnt terrorism. If your perceived enemy takes action against you to protect its interests,or the security of its lands then it is terrorism.


To the average Iraqi YOU ARE THE TERRORIST!!!


It isnt about good or evil it is about pointing out wrong. I find no good in any act of terrorism-Arab,Jew,American,Bristish,Irish,Russian,Aghan.All who go out and kill indescriminately-all are equally disgusting filth and anyone who condones this behaviour has lost their humanity and their dignity.


I find it incredible that you wish to qualify slaughter as an issue of right or wrong.


IT IS ALWAYS WRONG!


Will you get it right for once Tony. We are not fighting Iraqis. We are not fighting Bath Party soldiers or Saddam's cronies. We're fighting Al Queda insurgents.

JEEZZ! Don't you know the enemy is? See what I mean about confusion?
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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2005 at 14:32
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Yes, what was I thinking!!!! Americans did indeed cause all those terrorist bombings in England and Spain!!! The American people brought 9/11 upon themselves.

Now you are using your brains......see the truth in those statements.......Stern Smile

Would it not be fair then to say that the English brought the bombings upon themselves then?

The British govt did yes.It was not acting on the will of the people-the majority of Brits were against our involvement unlike our American cousins....

It's not my fault if there are some brain-washed, Bush-following-to-the-death, manics who will follow the President and his propaganda until the very end of the world. This is not my fault, nor is the war. And remember, those who supported the war, or at least most of them who were so unlucky as to fall under the hypnotic spell of the White House and CIA propaganda ("false intelligence") actually believed their country was going to be attacked again.

You must remember, two planes didn't crash into London and killl nearly 3,000 of your citizens.
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But to blame America for terrorist attacks on our allies soil is dodging blame.
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Yes, what was I thinking!!!! Americans did indeed cause all those terrorist bombings in England and Spain!!! The American people brought 9/11 upon themselves.

Now you are using your brains......see the truth in those statements.......Stern Smile

Would it not be fair then to say that the English brought the bombings upon themselves then?

The British govt did yes.It was not acting on the will of the people-the majority of Brits were against our involvement unlike our American cousins....
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Points: 11979 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2005 at 14:25
Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:


Wow, I never thought you could actually write something so stupid, ignorant, and completely biased, but here I am reading it.



Wow, I never thought you could actually write something so stupid, ignorant, and completely biased, but here I am reading it.......Stonebeard!!!



Yes, what was I thinking!!!! Americans did indeed cause all those terrorist bombings in England and Spain!!! The American people brought 9/11 upon themselves.


Well Stone, Tony is what I call a victim of gray-brainwashing. People like him look at things through gray eyeballs. To them, there's no good or evil. No good guys or bad guys. Everything is nuanced. We must learn to understand the actions of terrorists and sympathize with them. Everytime an atrocity is committed, they try to find some "good" in it. And of course vice versa.

It's really a very confusing mental state. But they call it an open mind. But in reality it's basically having no direction at all.

Your problem is that if your side perpetrate a terrorist atrocity it isnt terrorism. If your perceived enemy takes action against you to protect its interests,or the security of its lands then it is terrorism.

To the average Iraqi YOU ARE THE TERRORIST!!!

It isnt about good or evil it is about pointing out wrong. I find no good in any act of terrorism-Arab,Jew,American,Bristish,Irish,Russian,Aghan.All who go out and kill indescriminately-all are equally disgusting filth and anyone who condones this behaviour has lost their humanity and their dignity.

I find it incredible that you wish to qualify slaughter as an issue of right or wrong.

IT IS ALWAYS WRONG!



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Points: 1695 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2005 at 14:16
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:


Wow, I never thought you could actually write something so stupid, ignorant, and completely biased, but here I am reading it.



Wow, I never thought you could actually write something so stupid, ignorant, and completely biased, but here I am reading it.......Stonebeard!!!



Yes, what was I thinking!!!! Americans did indeed cause all those terrorist bombings in England and Spain!!! The American people brought 9/11 upon themselves.


Well Stone, Tony is what I call a victim of gray-brainwashing. People like him look at things through gray eyeballs. To them, there's no good or evil. No good guys or bad guys. Everything is nuanced. We must learn to understand the actions of terrorists and sympathize with them. Everytime an atrocity is committed, they try to find some "good" in it. And of course vice versa.

It's really a very confusing mental state. But they call it an open mind. But in reality it's basically having no direction at all.
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Points: 2373 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2005 at 14:08

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

  my dungeon of love 

You wouldn't happen to be Alice Cooper or Meatloaf by any chance, Doc? 
"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Nor have I been terrorized by the US government.  Sure there was that whole thing with the fbi regarding my dungeon of love, but that was resolved. 

 
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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2005 at 13:58
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Yes, what was I thinking!!!! Americans did indeed cause all those terrorist bombings in England and Spain!!! The American people brought 9/11 upon themselves.

Now you are using your brains......see the truth in those statements.......Stern Smile

Would it not be fair then to say that the English brought the bombings upon themselves then?
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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2005 at 13:56
BTW: I wouldn't take offense to Oliverstoned's post if he mentioned only Bush as the fault with Bin Laden, but since he accused the whole of America for terrorist attacks commited by fanatics, I can do nothing but take offense.
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Have I come to the right thread to wish everyone here a HAPPY NEW YEAR ??
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Yes, what was I thinking!!!! Americans did indeed cause all those terrorist bombings in England and Spain!!! The American people brought 9/11 upon themselves.

Now you are using your brains......see the truth in those statements.......Stern Smile

 

 

 

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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

Thanks for proving my point guys. It is this kind of defeatist mentality that creates quagmires and keeps the oppressors and terrorists in power. Good luck on the next attack.

BTW Oliver, we did declare war. What do you think the Congressional Resolution we passed was?

Speaking as a regular forum member:

Open your eyes to history Mark!

The USA Government and especially it's military and CIA are the biggest oppressors and terrorists in modern history-FACT.

Funny.  I don't feel oppressed. 

Nor have I been terrorized by the US government.  Sure there was that whole thing with the fbi regarding my dungeon of love, but that was resolved. 

I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2005 at 13:54
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Wow, I never thought you could actually write something so stupid, ignorant, and completely biased, but here I am reading it.

Wow, I never thought you could actually write something so stupid, ignorant, and completely biased, but here I am reading it.......Stonebeard!!!

Yes, what was I thinking!!!! Americans did indeed cause all those terrorist bombings in England and Spain!!! The American people brought 9/11 upon themselves.

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Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

Thanks for proving my point guys. It is this kind of defeatist mentality that creates quagmires and keeps the oppressors and terrorists in power. Good luck on the next attack.

BTW Oliver, we did declare war. What do you think the Congressional Resolution we passed was?

Speaking as a regular forum member:

Open your eyes to history Mark!

The USA Government and especially it's military and CIA are the biggest oppressors and terrorists in modern history-FACT.

Central America,South America,Africa,Middle East,Far East...jeez.

All this God Bless America bull...why would God bless America? You familiar with the teachings of Christ at all???
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Wow, I never thought you could actually write something so stupid, ignorant, and completely biased, but here I am reading it.

Wow, I never thought you could actually write something so stupid, ignorant, and completely biased, but here I am reading it.......Stonebeard!!!
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