Genesis verses Jethro Tull ... poll

stonebeard wrote: gentletull wrote: if u genesis fans had all the tull album outtakes u would rank tull higher than genesis Not by a sight. I have all Tull albums from Stand Up to Broadsword and Some more from the 90s and all Genesis albums from Trespass to Ababcab. I don't think some demos and unreleased tracks will change my mind.

Exactly my case, I have each and every album released by Jethro (Including Rolling Stones Circus), almost each and every DVD by them and it's the prog' band I've seen the most (7 times) and I loved each and every concert.

And I believe there's not a serius (older than 35) proghead that doesn't have most of Tull's material, but nothing compares to Genesis IMO, even when I've never been in one of their concerts (Except Invissible Touch tour which sucked) and only have bootleg DVD's from the Gabriel era.

Iván

In answer to the above!

It's because the system is flawed. Some members have multi-log in handles and review an album numerous times. I have noticed Genesis albums given 5 stars by the same reviewers on occasions and any albums that are a threat to their position are given low rankings. Also note how many times Genesis albums have been reviewed in comparison to many others. The more five stars an album getes the higher it will climb up the charts. There should be some some way of working out averages! That way you will see albums like Tresspass and Nursey Cryme drop out of the top twenty like led balloons.

Edited by Progger

To Progger, I have seen you post about this "conspiracy" way too many times, and frankly I don't believe it!!!  There are just as many Pink Floyd, Yes, etc... fanatics that will rate an album highly.  You may have some formula to figure this out, but like I stated before, I can't believe it and nor do I care that much (apparently you do...). However, I do think that the rating system is flawed, just not in the way that you speak of.

Edited by meurglysIII

tull outtakes are nothing like the YES outtakes. Most of the tull outtakes are better than many of the songs on the albums they belong to and there are about 80 outtakes all together. I rank many of them among my fave tull songs. That's the reason why i made the tull site to prove the high quality of them, but not many in here believe me lol. Anyway, I think Thick as a brick and Heavy horses complete session surpass anything Genesis ever did, while Tulls 90s are better than any other 90s albums of any old band easily. I keep mentioning how the warchild outtakes make a much stronger album than the original and aqualung outtakes make a very good album, while Broadsword has 26 songs to choose from(but some arent too flash). The heavy horses and stormwatch outtakes are excellent, while Catfish outtakes are better than half the album too. Not to mention the first 3 albums outtakes are probably the best songs of those albums and many more . If you don't have the 20th ann 3 cd box set, then you're missing out on some great tull, but there are other releases with the rare stuff too

Progger wrote: In answer to the above! It's because the system is flawed. Some members have multi-log in handles and review an album numerous times. I have noticed Genesis albums given 5 stars by the same reviewers on occasions and any albums that are a threat to their position are given low rankings. Also note how many times Genesis albums have been reviewed in comparison to many others. The more five stars an album getes the higher it will climb up the charts. There should be some some way of working out averages! That way you will see albums like Tresspass and Nursey Cryme drop out of the top twenty like led balloons.

Why don'tyou think this polls are flawed, it's easier to vote twice here than to make two reviews in two different styles, since I have memory nobody has ever accused  reviewers here of being dishonest except you (And you have done it twice at least).

Read the posts and yiu'll find that only 25 posters in this thread  have expressed clearly their prefference for one of the two bands (in a post), and the result is

1. Genesis 16..................64%
2. Jethro Tull 9...............36%

Almost the double, so using the logic is easier to believe a lot of Tull fans have voted twice, because the statistics don't lie, in a higher universe of voters, as the top 100 it's much more harder to manipulate than a small poll like this one. 

BTW: There's another fact, many Yes and other bands hate Genesis because it's almost as popular in Prog scenario as their favorite bands, but most Progheads like Tull and don't consider it a thread, so I'm sure that a lot of Yes fans will vote easier for Tull.

Sometimes using the brain is healthy.

Iván

BTW: Only Stomebeard, myself,  Progger and Gentle Tull have written replies in the last 60 minutes (The number of viewers of his thread reveals only 4 people have seen this thread since that moment), but suspiciously Jethro Tull has increased SEVEN votes in 30 minutes (more than 10% of the total voters in 1/2 hour and akll for Tull), Casual???? I don't think so.

Statistics don't lie, a notrmal poll keeps increasing but kepping the tendency, Tull and Genesis were almost equal, but since you joined again, wow, statistics went to hell

Edited by ivan_2068

I agree with Ivan, the polls are WAY more flawed than the reviews. I haven't voted on this poll yet (my vote would go to Genesis though...), so I don't know if it allows multiple votes, but I'm assuming it does...and a lot of polls are!!!

C'mon Ivan, you seem an intelligent bloke but don't let your devotion to Genesis blind you of the facts! Firstly, not everyone who votes in a poll will add a comment. Secondly, Genesis albums have had more reviews than there are contributors to this website. Multi login handles being the reason. Genesis fans have too much time on their hands!

Progger wrote: C'mon Ivan, you seem an intelligent bloke but don't let your devotion to Genesis blind you of the facts! Firstly, not everyone who votes in a poll will add a comment. Secondly, Genesis albums have had more reviews than there are contributors to this website. Multi login handles being the reason. Genesis fans have too much time on their hands!

1.- Statistics don't lie if more people write about a band it's normal that more people are interested in them.

A tendencie to a tie can't change in 30 minutes with no new readers reported cassually when you rejoin

2.- If you log out and log in again you can vote twice in this poll and everybody knows that

3.- So Genesis fans have more times in their hands?? So you even kbnow how many hours I have to work, do you know the rest of the Genesis fans to affirm that? Don't be silly.

4.- As someone said before, the Adms have a feature that allows them to delete two reviews or votes made by the same user even if they change their nick, they use it always in the reviews section vbecause it's important for them, but I'm sure that they don'tgive a damn for this silly polls.

Iván

 

Two more votes for Tull since my last post two minutes ago, surprising, BTW

Iván

But you can log out and log in several times and vote again.

Iván