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    Posted: December 16 2005 at 11:02
Punks really seem to have it in for prog but do progers return the favour. Is it the lowest form of music or a valid genre that deserves respect. Personnaly i love Dead Kennedies and the Ramones are good fun but what do yall think. Is there any room for Prog Punk? Can punk be progressive?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2005 at 11:07

Absolutely not!

Sorry but i don't agree with you.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2005 at 11:08

I Don't Think Punk Can Be All That Progressive. Then It Would'nt Be Punk Anymore Would It??

Some American Bands Today Have Been Given The Name "Punk" But Just Don't Deserve It, They Stand For Nothing And Seem So Effortless!! (Green Day) However I Do Like Some Of The Old British Punk Bands, Ha, Now That I Think, I'm Not Sure But I Might Have Heard That Johnny Rotten Is A Van Der Graaf Fan

Not That I Like The Sex Pistols Much, Ha.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2005 at 11:44
or Simple Plan, Good Charllotte, etc, etc, etc,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2005 at 11:48
if joy division is punk it must be progressive punk. any way it is amazing band, perhaps more 80' s new wave. mars volta has some punk influences especially on de loused in the comatorium
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2005 at 11:49
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2005 at 11:51
YES, IT'S THAT BAD!!!!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2005 at 11:55
How stereotypical of prog fans.  I myself find my listening preference torn between everything from Floyd and Yes to the Clash and Sublime.  If you ask me, prog is certainly the most intellectual of all forms of rock, and the most thought-out.  But punk is the most pure, raw form of rock.  Don't get me wrong, I hate Good Charlotte, Blink 182, Sum 41, and the like all with a passion, but I have to respect the classic punk bands who cared more about making noise than w**king like some prog bands do.

Also, take a look at bands like the Queens of the Stone Age, with songs ranging from 2 minutes to 10, using power chords and loud distorted guitars, and at the same time, complex time signatures and altered structures.  I think there is no reason to say that prog and punk cannot coexist peacfully.  One man's opinion.  Anyone else?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2005 at 12:10
It depends what type of punk your talking about. I for one, used to be a
fan of the more talented punk bands. These bands that I would listen to
are labeled punk because they are fast. For example, if you have ever
listened to Thrice (their first two albums) are in a punk genre but are far
from bad. The musicianship is very good and the lyrics are incredible.
Thrice has some of the best lyrics from any genre of music.

There are also bands such as Rx Bandits who are sometimes plopped in
the punk genre with reggae/ska being their primary sound. Their most
recent CD took their style to the next level, elevated with longer songs
that are complex, and very, very emotional and meaningful.

Just because a band is labeled a punk band doesn't mean it's bad. 99% of
it might be, but that small 1% that is good shouldn't be underestimated.

EDIT: Thrice's new album is also very interesting and completely different
from their older stuff. Listen to "For Miles" or "Stand and Feel your Worth."
These songs are very well crafted and have the mentality of prog for their
own style.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2005 at 12:23
"There are only two kinds of music in the world.  Good and bad."

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2005 at 12:35
Originally posted by Page to Squire Page to Squire wrote:

Punks really seem to have it in for prog
but do progers return the favour. Is it the lowest form of music or a valid
genre that deserves respect. Personnaly i love Dead Kennedies and the
Ramones are good fun but what do yall think. Is there any room for Prog
Punk? Can punk be progressive?



Prog. Punk is an oxymoron. Punk really just sounds dull and uninteresting
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2005 at 12:49

There is some decent punk rock out there, such as The Ramones and Sex Pistols.  Punk rock is/was basically anti-prog.  But that doesn't make it bad - just puts it opposite prog.  So don't expect long solos, long songs, or lots of keyboards.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2005 at 13:19
Punk prog? Heh, I don't think so, it's kind of an oxymoron (although there's a progesque ska punk band in the UK called Mumrah).

I don't really like punk as a whole, but some of it's good, fun music that doesn't try and be anything else.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2005 at 13:25
Punk is fun and has lots of energy to deliver. Listening to only one kind of music is not recommendable. I myself like very much the music of AIR (electronic duo). I don't have any punk records, but that's me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2005 at 13:31

 

 

Could the dead kennedys have written Chamber Of 32 Doors?

Could genesis have written Hellnation?

I love punk and PR. The main difference being that the best punk hits you immediatley and you have a great time with your pals while PR  is more about giving your entire attention to a piece of music and marvelling at the amount of work put in and, yes, sometimes enduring boring bits.

But there can be few more annoying things than the automatic response : 'They are up their own arse'. Just because it  requires attentive listening.

Sometimes I'm made to feel as if being into PR is some form of mental illness.

The real problem lies with those who disrespect things they can't be bothered trying to understand.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2005 at 15:49

Punk isn't bad if you listen with an open mind.

Of course a big part of punk was that it was not prog or arena rock, etc. By this, prog punk is almost by definition not possible.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2005 at 16:49
coheed and cambria, 3, the mars volta

are examples of prog-punk. you 40 year old genesis-worshippers need to open your minds.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2005 at 06:42

I think that if anyone looks hard enough, you can find examples of prog in any genure of music. 

For example, for punk songs that explore their song material and are (reasonably) lengthy, there is PIL.  The mars volta (esp. ... comatorium) is mentioned a lot, but thats because a year or so before, most of the members were in a 'punk' band called '...at the drive in' (to which i quite enjoyed).

Interesting punk bands can include 'Magazine' (for example). 

Then there is the enigma of New Order/Joy Division.  Yes they were/are one band, but one was punk and the other was (until recently) new wave... How would you determin it... and then there are the punk bands that went genre hopping without even changing their sound.... bands like 'wire' and 'front 242'....

The 'rules' that determine genres and sub-genres are confusing and very fuzzy, and one really shouldnt put strict rules on what is prog, punk, or otherwise... besides, one of progs awesome features is that it blurs the rules and conceptions of the musical landscape... but then again, would music that has energy and something to say be progressive, whether or not it is punk...

C what i mean...

Im pretty sure, however, that most of us has an understanding of what prog is within themselves, and have a slightly different understanding about it if we had to explain it to the 'uninitiated'.  Personally, i think 'short, fast, and loud' isnt the same as 'complex interplay with musicians and lyrics'.  But, hey, beauty is in the ear of the listener.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2005 at 08:20
Originally posted by fastandbulbous fastandbulbous wrote:

"There are only two kinds of music in the world.  Good and bad."

Duke Ellington


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2005 at 11:36

Originally posted by matti meikäläin matti meikäläin wrote:

if joy division is punk it must be progressive punk. any way it is amazing band, perhaps more 80' s new wave. mars volta has some punk influences especially on de loused in the comatorium

They are Post Punk, which is hardly the same thing.

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