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    Posted: December 14 2005 at 16:59

I recently heard "Lizard" and almost all of "In the Wake of Poseidon". I know it's a little late at night but I had to ask!! Why do those two albums get so much abuse??

The title track on Lizard I was expecting to be sloppy and uninteresting, But I really enjoyed  it! It was tighter than I expected, I thought it was excellent.

Crimson fans out there. I would really like to know what you think about those albums..



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2005 at 17:02
Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Why Do Those Two Albums Get So Much Abuse??

I don't think so. Both of them are really good

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2005 at 17:06
Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Why Do Those Two Albums Get So Much Abuse??

I don't think so. Both of them are really good

Yep, pretty much



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2005 at 17:12

Concerning In the Wake of Poseidon :

I'm not the biggest fan because of a few reasons:

1) The album structure is eerily similar to In the Court of the Crimson King. This makes it feel like a rushed, half-hearted effort.

2) Lake is not as brilliant or powerful on In the Wake... as he was on In the Court...

3) I do not like "Cat Food" at all.

4) Come to think of it, even the album titles are eerily similar: In the wake of Poseidon, In the Court of the Crimson King...

That said, In the Wake of Poseidon is a pretty good album, but definately does not compare to In the Court of the Crimson King. I like the title track a lot, though.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2005 at 17:17
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Concerning In the Wake of Poseidon :

I'm not the biggest fan because of a few reasons:

1) The album structure is eerily similar to In the Court of the Crimson King. This makes it feel like a rushed, half-hearted effort.

2) Lake is not as brilliant or powerful on In the Wake... as he was on In the Court...

3) I do not like "Cat Food" at all.

4) Come to think of it, even the album titles are eerily similar: In the wake of Poseidon, In the Court of the Crimson King...

That said, In the Wake of Poseidon is a pretty good album, but definately does not compare to In the Court of the Crimson King. I like the title track a lot, though.

Ok that's fair.. I think 'Cat Food' is cool Though. Little wierd, but cool. 'Cadence and Cascade' is also fantastic!! It is similar to the previous record, But I don't see that much harm in that fact alone. If the songs were bad then yes I'd wave it off, But they are strong songs. Cover's pretty nice to look at too



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2005 at 17:28
Lizard is one of my favorite Crimson albums, along with one of my favorite albums, period!  As for ITWOP, not as good as ITCOTCK, but great nonetheless.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2005 at 17:31

Originally posted by Paulieg Paulieg wrote:

Lizard is one of my favorite Crimson albums, along with one of my favorite albums, period!  As for ITWOP, not as good as ITCOTCK, but great nonetheless.

Lizard rocks, the title track I mean



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2005 at 17:46
I think its true that Greg Lake had already decided to leave when In The Wake Of Poseidon was being recorded,but just hung around to help Robert Fripp out.In The Wake Of Posiedon was not a particularly harmonious affair and it shows.I like 'Cat Food' though...good lyrics!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2005 at 17:52
Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Why Do Those Two Albums Get So Much Abuse??

They don't!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2005 at 17:56
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Why Do Those Two Albums Get So Much Abuse??

They don't!

Really, you don't think so?? I've only heard how "Lizard" was a mess. Fripp himself said that this period was a time of "failure"



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2005 at 18:05

I'm getting Lizard soon, I'll tell you what I think.

BTW:

Why do you capitalize every word in a sentence, Winter Wine?  And might your name be an allusion to the book Drinking Midnight Wine?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2005 at 18:15
My name is the title of a song on "In the Land of Grey and Pink" by Caravan that I am quite fond of. Get Lizard!!! and tell me what you think, PM Me..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2005 at 18:24
I love lizard. is one of the best albums by King Crimson. And in the wake...  is good too but not as great as lizard

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2005 at 18:29

Glad you think so, 'Lizard' is becoming a real favourite of mine..



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2005 at 18:35
Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Why Do Those Two Albums Get So Much Abuse??

They don't!

Really, You Don't Think So?? I've Only Heard How "Lizard" Was A Mess. Fripp Himself Said That This Period Was A Period Of "Failure"

I thought you meant it was getting abuse here......I don't give a toss what Fripp thinks.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2005 at 19:06
I think theyre both great albums... Lizard is one of my favourite KC albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2005 at 19:45
Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Why Do Those Two Albums Get So Much Abuse??



What kind of "Abuse" 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5?

Merriam-Webster Online:

abuse

Main Entry: 1abuse
Pronunciation: &-'byüs
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French abus, from Latin abusus, from abuti to consume, from ab- + uti to use
1 : a corrupt practice or custom
2 : improper or excessive use or treatment : MISUSE <drug abuse>
3 obsolete : a deceitful act : DECEPTION
4 : language that condemns or vilifies usually unjustly, intemperately, and angrily
5 : physical maltreatment


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2005 at 19:57
I personnaly really enjoy Lizard 

RIP in bossa nova heaven.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2005 at 20:00

Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Its The Way I Type, Seems To Make Me Type Faster Actually My Name Is The Title Of A Song On "In The Land Of Grey And Pink" By Caravan That I Am Quite Fond Of. Get Lizard!!! And Tell Me What You Think, PM Me..

Oh, I have In the Land of Grey and Pink, I just didn't make the connection.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2005 at 21:03

IMO ITWOP is very similar to their debut album (all the songs go back to 1969, when ITCOTCK was released), but to me it's more refined and melodic. LIZARD is more jazzy, thanks to the jazz guest musicians, even if the mellotron is more in evidence.

Anyway ITWOP is my favourite.

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