King Crimson, really that bad??
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Topic: King Crimson, really that bad??
Posted By: Winter Wine
Subject: King Crimson, really that bad??
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 16:59
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I recently heard "Lizard" and almost all of "In the Wake of Poseidon". I know it's a little late at night but I had to ask!! Why do those two albums get so much abuse?? The title track on Lizard I was expecting to be sloppy and uninteresting, But I really enjoyed it! It was tighter than I expected, I thought it was excellent. Crimson fans out there. I would really like to know what you think about those albums.. ------------- My computer's broke |
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 17:02
I don't think so. Both of them are really good |
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Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 17:06
Yep, pretty much ------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 17:12
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Concerning In the Wake of Poseidon : I'm not the biggest fan because of a few reasons: 1) The album structure is eerily similar to In the Court of the Crimson King. This makes it feel like a rushed, half-hearted effort. 2) Lake is not as brilliant or powerful on In the Wake... as he was on In the Court... 3) I do not like "Cat Food" at all. 4) Come to think of it, even the album titles are eerily similar: In the wake of Poseidon, In the Court of the Crimson King... That said, In the Wake of Poseidon is a pretty good album, but definately does not compare to In the Court of the Crimson King. I like the title track a lot, though. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 17:17
Ok that's fair.. I think 'Cat Food' is cool Though. Little wierd, but cool. 'Cadence and Cascade' is also fantastic!! It is similar to the previous record, But I don't see that much harm in that fact alone. If the songs were bad then yes I'd wave it off, But they are strong songs. Cover's pretty nice to look at too ------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: Paulieg
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 17:28
| Lizard is one of my favorite Crimson albums, along with one of my favorite albums, period! As for ITWOP, not as good as ITCOTCK, but great nonetheless. |
Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 17:31
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Lizard rocks, the title track I mean ------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 17:46
| I think its true that Greg Lake had already decided to leave when In The Wake Of Poseidon was being recorded,but just hung around to help Robert Fripp out.In The Wake Of Posiedon was not a particularly harmonious affair and it shows.I like 'Cat Food' though...good lyrics! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 17:52
They don't! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 17:56
Really, you don't think so?? I've only heard how "Lizard" was a mess. Fripp himself said that this period was a time of "failure" ------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 18:05
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I'm getting Lizard soon, I'll tell you what I think. BTW: Why do you capitalize every word in a sentence, Winter Wine? ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 18:15
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My name is the title of a song on "In the Land of Grey and Pink" by Caravan that I am quite fond of. Get Lizard!!! and tell me what you think, PM Me.. ------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 18:24
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I love lizard. is one of the best albums by King Crimson. And in the wake... is good too but not as great as lizard
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Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 18:29
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Glad you think so, 'Lizard' is becoming a real favourite of mine.. ------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 18:35
I thought you meant it was getting abuse here......I don't give a toss what Fripp thinks. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 19:06
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I think theyre both great albums... Lizard is one of my favourite KC albums.
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Posted By: Lateralus_66
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 19:45
What kind of "Abuse" 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5?  Merriam-Webster Online: abuse Main Entry: 1abuse javascript%20popWin%27/cgi-bin/audio.pl?abuse001.wav=abuse%27">  Pronunciation: &-'byüs Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French abus, from Latin abusus, from abuti to consume, from ab- + uti to use 1 : a corrupt practice or custom 2 : improper or excessive use or treatment : http://www.webster.com/dictionary/misuse - - DECEPTION 4 : language that condemns or vilifies usually unjustly, intemperately, and angrily 5 : physical maltreatment ------------- "A mind is like a parachute. It does'nt work if it's not open." - Frank Zappa |
Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 19:57
I personnaly really enjoy Lizard 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 20:00
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Oh, I have In the Land of Grey and Pink, I just didn't make the connection. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 21:03
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IMO ITWOP is very similar to their debut album (all the songs go back to 1969, when ITCOTCK was released), but to me it's more refined and melodic. LIZARD is more jazzy, thanks to the jazz guest musicians, even if the mellotron is more in evidence. Anyway ITWOP is my favourite. |
Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: December 14 2005 at 21:28
I've only acquired Lizard recently, (with the help of a canine friend of mine )
and I've only listened to it once so I can't rate it yet but I did
enjoy it. In the Wake of Poseidon is great, not nearly King
Crimson's best but that's still better than most things I've heard.
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Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: February 15 2006 at 08:22
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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: February 15 2006 at 09:38
Yeah I don't think they do either. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 15 2006 at 10:08
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"Lizard" is by far my favourite album of King Crimson, especially the title track and "Happy Family". Much better than "In the Court of the Crimson King". I agree "In the Wake of Poseidon" is more or less a copy of the predecessor, but I very much love "Cat Food", the music as well as the lyrics. Great track to dance to! The wild piano of Keith Tippet is extraordinary.
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Posted By: John Gargo
Date Posted: February 15 2006 at 10:20
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People like to trash IN THE WAKE OF POSEIDON because of its similarities to IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON KING. I think most of this criticism comes from those who consider the debut to be the pinnacle of King Crimson's recording output, therefore seeing POSEIDON as a sort of lesser follow up. Even so, there is nothing on the debut that sounds remotely like "Cat Food," "Devil's Triangle" or those "Peace" refrains. Taken together, that's half the running time, so they're not really as similar as most people make them out to be. LIZARD is a great album, but it suffers critical lashings (as does ISLANDS) because it falls between two distinct periods... the early Lake period and the Wetton period that would follow. It's sort of a one-off in that respect, and even admirers of the album (such as myself) have to admit that the vocals are quite eccentric and can easily put off many listeners. Personally I love both albums, particularly LIZARD. |
Posted By: RoyalJelly
Date Posted: February 15 2006 at 10:51
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Both great albums, even if they did stick to the succesful formula of the
first album on Poseiden. Lizard is an absolutely unique album, there's nothing like it, it's too bad nobody explored these paths further...Sinfield was at his most surreal and Felliniesque in the lyrics. Islands gets more abuse here critically, but I think it's also a rare jewel, totally different than Lizards. I think it's just too mellow and introspective for the prog-heads addicted to relentless riffing and showing off. Both Islands and Lizards have about the most extreme and effective dynamic contrasts of any albums ever (Lark's Tongue as well). |
Posted By: ChadFromCanada
Date Posted: February 15 2006 at 23:18
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Wake is a really good album, especially the title track. Haven't heard Lizards though. I'd probably give Wake a 4. |
Posted By: Rosescar
Date Posted: February 16 2006 at 11:08
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I haven't yet heard In The Wake Of Poseidon, but it might be *the*
example of progressive rock; it tries to be in the same vain as their
first album, but better which would be quite a progression. I haven't
heard it though.
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Posted By: why not
Date Posted: February 16 2006 at 11:19
Lizard is my favorite KC album. THe title track and i really enjoy Happy Family its soooo cool ITWOP is a good album too IMO but not even close to ITCOCK or Lizard. But it ertainly has some kickarse tracks------------- with a smile of a happy idiot |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: February 17 2006 at 16:29
Who is talking crap about Crimson??? Ill kill him! ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: February 17 2006 at 16:40
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You could listen to ITWOP with the notion in mind that it is the twin brother of ITCOTCK and then it can diminish your pleasure from the album. Or you can listen to it without bearing that in mind and then (like me) enjoy it very much (and I like Cat Food as well, I like it when KC goes a bit weird and crazy). I have always loved Lizard very much (and I love Happy Family as well, the sound of this song is great), and the title track especially. IMHO, very good albums. I prefer Lizard to ITWOP but this is really not important. (I also like Islands ------------- http://hangingsounds.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - Hanging Sounds http://www.progarchives.com/ProgRockShopping.asp" rel="nofollow - PA Index of prog music vendors |
Posted By: John Gargo
Date Posted: February 17 2006 at 16:43
| Islands is a great album... very pleasant and relaxing. |
Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: February 17 2006 at 16:48
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^^^ I think so too, But i seldom find anyone who agrees with me on this. Nice to meet you ------------- http://hangingsounds.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - Hanging Sounds http://www.progarchives.com/ProgRockShopping.asp" rel="nofollow - PA Index of prog music vendors |
Posted By: Fritha
Date Posted: February 19 2006 at 15:44
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I don´t have either of these yet, but a while back somebody on an another forum suggested me to get Lizard after he discovered that I'm into the Canterbury scene. He thought Lizard had a bit of that feel to it musically. Shame on me as I still haven´t gotten around to getting it but I plan to, definitely!
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Posted By: Oxygen Waster
Date Posted: February 19 2006 at 15:50
| I loved Lizard.....probably my favorite crimso album.......definatly my one of my fave Synph.Prog albums |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: February 19 2006 at 16:04
In The Wake is my favourite album till Larks'...Lizard is a growing-up...listened to it just yesterday...nothing TOO good...but not bad either...  ------------- 
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Posted By: Karn Evil 9
Date Posted: February 19 2006 at 16:34
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I was suprised by Lizard. I was expecting something crappy after finding out that Lake wasnt singing on the album, but haskell's vocals fit perfectly. And the Jon Anderson guest vocals in the begining of Lizard were a perfect touch. It was this album that introduced me to Yes. Islands was another step up as well (in my mind anyways) I really like the second half of the album. ------------- Watch out where the huskies go,dont you eat that yellow snow |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 19 2006 at 16:48
good call... Cat Food is something else. My favorite from the early period.... was even released as a single hahahhaha... I'm sure that raced up the charts. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: February 19 2006 at 16:59
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The title track of Lizard is one my favorite KC songs and it's extremely unique or can anyone tell me a song sounding similar? Cirkus is another great song, don't really care about the rest of the album though. ITWOP is the weakest KC album I know so far, but it's still not bad. Probably 3,5 stars Nothing compares to their debut though |
Posted By: alan_pfeifer
Date Posted: February 19 2006 at 17:00
| I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that I like Wake more than Court. Despite the similarities, I find that Wake takes the formula from Court and stretches it abit, such as things like the Devil's Triangle, and each of the Peace themes. The Giles on set (1st name escapes me) really plays his heart out, kinda like a final blowout performance before leaving. And the guitar solo in Cat Food is probably one of my favorite things Fripp's done! |
Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: February 19 2006 at 17:28
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Cirkus and the title track from Lizard are both great songs, but all of the other songs on the album are either too annoying or too bland and forgettable. However, Cirkus and Lizard are two of my favorite KC songs on any album, and it's a shame they never get into any live sets. ------------- 
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