If Tool is prog...

king volta wrote: I've had this on my mind for awhile and I'm sure I will probably get some negative feedback but seriously, if a prog band that has very little prog sound or influence (Tool, this is my opinion, Tool is metal, not prog) is considered prog, than why not a band like Led Zeppelin, who I'll admit started out less than prog with bluesy songs that still had a progressive sound (in my opinion), then came the later days with tons of prog influences and sounds moving across the soundscape that was Zeppelin...I seriously think we should give this more thought. Now I'm not saying "put them in the archives now!" i'm just saying "why is this the case...what is more prog about tool?" What's your take?

Why start this argument up all over again???????????????????????

I am so sick of you Tool haters,and your "Tool is not prog BS"!!!!!!!!!

king volta wrote: I will agree that they probably are prog (Tool), my question is: if they are considered prog of sorts, why not a clearly much better/proggier band like zeppelin?

Ok...I am not going to get into a big thing with you,but this has been done many times before.

Tool is clearly a progressive metal band,if you can't see that something is worng with you.

Led Zeppelin(who I worship),were a blues based,rock band who had a FEW proggy moments.Too call LZ a prog band is an insult in my book,because they influenced metal and hard rock way more than they influenced progressive rock.

TheProgtologist wrote: king volta wrote: I will agree that they probably are prog (Tool), my question is: if they are considered prog of sorts, why not a clearly much better/proggier band like zeppelin? Ok...I am not going to get into a big thing with you,but this has been done many times before. Tool is clearly a progressive metal band,if you can't see that something is worng with you. Led Zeppelin(who I worship),were a blues based,rock band who had a FEW proggy moments.Too call LZ a prog band is an insult in my book,because they influenced metal and hard rock way more than they influenced progressive rock.

Once again, I NEVER SAID TOOL WAS NOT PROG! QUIT ACCUSING ME OF THAT PLEASE! I just think Zeppelin has more progressive qualities and should be included as proto prog. I mean if Deep Purple is in, surely Zeppelin should be also. I'm sure Zeppelin managed to influence Tool...

king volta wrote: i was never "baiting" you...but if you're going to post in a thread at least answer the question.

I told you why I think Zeppelin shouldn't be here.I was never ever in agreement with the introduction of the prog related/influenced proto,prog categories because they allow the inclusion of bands that are not prog in my book,like Deep Purple and Queen,and Zeppelin.

As far as trying to convince you if Tool is prog or not I will not do that,I have done that over and over in other threads and am not in the mood to get all worked up trying to convince someone of a bands progressiveness.If you don't like them or don't think they are progressive fine with me,that's your loss.Personally,I think TMV is nothing but a bunch of bad noise but you don't see me starting threads about it.

if a prog band that has very little prog sound or influence (Tool, this is my opinion, Tool is metal, not prog) is considered prog

That is not really bashing but that got my blood up because I don't agree with that.

Tool has only ever acknowledged one band as an influence on their music....King Crimson.

And how can you think a band like TMV is prog but Tool isn't?

king volta wrote: i do think tool is prog, i edited my post because i was so intent on getting a point across i didn't stop to think that someone might you might get curdled blood. But i will say that you did bash TMV, and my thoughts about tool were opinion not open bias like yours. tool belongs in the archives i'll admit any day but i'll say again: if a "metal" band like tool is considered prog of sorts with less progressive sound than a band like led zeppelin. why isn't zpeelin allowed to be in the archives? sorry if i gave you a hernia but seriously...and by the way: i'm sure almost everyone except the tool fanboys like you will admit that TMV is much more progressive than Tool could ever hope to be.

You seem really intent on arguing.You start off apologetic and end it by basically insulting me and trying to draw me into another argument.(hint...that's called "baiting")

I think TMV belong here,and if you like them and other people like them,great.They are just not my cup of tea.If I want to say I think their music is noise,I'm going to say it.