I'm just obsessed with music - I don't limit myself.

It's not only Classical I like, but everything from pre-Mediaeval, through Renaissance, Baroque, Classical, Romantic, and all the 20th Century idioms.

oliverstoned wrote: I am into both genres. Ravel and Debussy are the progheads of classical! BTW, i'm waiting a record from Schmidt/La tragédie de Salomé, french composer close to Ravel who inspired Tchaicovsky.

What do you think of Messiaen - especially the Turangaglia Symphonie?

oliverstoned wrote: I am into both genres. Ravel and Debussy are the progheads of classical! BTW, i'm waiting a record from Schmidt/La tragédie de Salomé, french composer close to Ravel who inspired Tchaicovsky.

Add to that George Gershwin, who was a great admirer of Ravel. Great Jazz-Classical fusion, in particular Rhapsody in Blue, An American in Paris and the Cuban Overture.

Certif1ed wrote: I'm just obsessed with music - I don't limit myself. It's not only Classical I like, but everything from pre-Mediaeval, through Renaissance, Baroque, Classical, Romantic, and all the 20th Century idioms.

Hey Cert, don't mix terms:

1. Classical is a broad term that contains, Medieval, Gothic, Renaissancentist, Baroque, Classic, Romantic and Modern
2. Classic is a determined era that goes from 1750 to 1830 Appx.}

So the question is well done

Iván

ivan_2068 wrote: Certif1ed wrote: I'm just obsessed with music - I don't limit myself. It's not only Classical I like, but everything from pre-Mediaeval, through Renaissance, Baroque, Classical, Romantic, and all the 20th Century idioms. Hey Cert, don't mix terms: Classical is a broad term that contains, Medieval, Gothic, Renaissancentist, Baroque, Classic, Romantic and Modern Classic is a determined era that goes from 1750 to 1830 Appx.} So the question is well done Iván

Iván

The Classical era is from 1750-1820(ish - some would say 1825, and who am I to argue?).

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=The+classical+era &meta=

The term "Classical" is very commonly but incorrectly applied to virtually all orchestral and much acoustically instrumented music.

My favourite book on the Classical era is the very famous one by Charles Rosen, if you'd like some enlightenment as to the exact style of music rather than rough timelines

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp? endeca=1&isbn=0393317129

(B&N sell it for half the price that Amazon do - and it's a brilliant book!).

The term isn't "Classic" - that means an enduring piece.

HTH

Cert wrote:

Iván The Classical era is from 1750-1820(ish - some would say 1825, and who am I to argue?). http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=The+classical+era &meta= The term "Classical" is very commonly but incorrectly applied to virtually all orchestral and much acoustically instrumented music. My favourite book on the Classical era is the very famous one by Charles Rosen, if you'd like some enlightenment as to the exact style of music rather than rough timelines http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp? endeca=1&isbn=0393317129 (B&N sell it for half the price that Amazon do - and it's a brilliant book!).   The term isn't "Classic" - that means an enduring piece. HTH

Not so sure, read the Classical Music Pages (I place the link at the bottom of the quote:

The Musical Epochs Here are the major musical epochs and some of their most important composers. Middle Ages Pérotin Guillaume de Machaut Renaissance (1400-1600) Josquin Desprez Orlande de Lassus Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina Baroque (1600-1750) Early Baroque Claudio Monteverdi Heinrich Schütz Late Baroque Antonio Vivaldi Johann Sebastian Bach George Frideric Handel Classic (1750-1825) Joseph Haydn Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Ludwig van Beethoven Franz Schubert Romantic (1825-1900) Richard Wagner Johannes Brahms Anton Bruckner Piotr Tchaikovsky Gustav Mahler Richard Strauss Modern (1900-1945) Claude Debussy Arnold Schönberg Alban Berg Anton von Webern Belá Bartók Igor Stravinsky Since 1945 John Cage Luigi Nono Witold Lutoslawski http://w3.rz-berlin.mpg.de/cmp/classmus.html  BTW: It's for free

My music teacher always made clear difference between Classical Music as all the eras and Clssic music from 1750 to 1820, 25 or 30 (Not precise ending date, I'll give you that one).

Many people (even experts) don't discriminate between Classical Music (As a broad term) and Classical era, so in the worst scenario the word Classical can be used to describe, both the period from Middle Ages to XXIst Century and the years between 1750 and 1820 - 1830.

I believe this approach is wrong.

Iván

Cert: The last thing I would want to do with you is to argue about this word, but it's obvious that the word Classical is also used to describe all the lets say Orchestral music since Medieval age up to today.

BTW, my music teacher also taught in the Conservatory and the National Symphonic Orchestra even when he was born in London.

You can check, there's even a Classical Web Ring http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=classicalring  that includes artists from all eras.

You can also visist the Classical Net http://www.classical.net/music/rep/top.html , which includes:

Medieval (before 1450)	Renaissance (1450-1600)	Baroque (1600-1750)

Classicism (1750-1820)	Romanticism (1810-1910)	20th century (1900-present)	Modern (1945-present)

They rather use the term Clasisicism rather than Classic or Classical, even when in the articles inside the site they use the term Classical Music to describe all eras and Classical Period to describe only what I refer as Classic era.

I'm not a teacher of music, nor I have your credentials in music (Which I respect very much),  but I guide myself from what I learned in 5 years of piano and Music elective subjects in the University.

And from what I read, the term is often used to describe both meanings.

The Classical Music Pages which I quote are part of The Classical Music Web Ring which is supported by such entities as The Vienna Symphony Orchestra, and includes such composers as Bach (Baroque) Beethoven (Classic or Classical), Brahms (Romantic), Elgar (Modern). etc.

I believe all this guys have at least the same credentials as you, and they don't make a problem with including Baroque, Modern, Romantic, Medieval, etc into a whole genre denominated Classical Music.

The advantage in Spanish is that we used the Word Clasica to describe Classicism and the expression Musica Selecta to refer to all eras, still many opeople often misuse terms.

Iván

Cert:

I agree with you, if only because this approach is the way I have come to understand the musical time periods. "Classic" is the time period, but no one I've ever known (in my limited experience) refers to that.

I guess anyone could argue about this, but what's the point? I'd rather try and put Mozart to shame with my virtuosity.

ivan_2068 wrote: Cert: I agree with you, if only because this approach is the way I have come to understand the musical time periods. "Classic" is the time period, but no one I've ever known (in my limited experience) refers to that. Hey Stonebeard, you're agreing with me LOL. I say it's Classic era as a period that starts in 1750 and ends between 1810 and 1830, and Classical Music as a whole entity that comprehends from Middle Ages to ythe XXIst Century). I guess anyone could argue about this, but what's the point? I'd rather try and put Mozart to shame with my virtuosity. I agree with that

Haha!!

Then that make me even more confused. I thought I was agreeing with Cert!!! Oh well, I need to take a nap!

And I'm glad we agree on MY virtuosity, at least.

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