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Points: 12812 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2005 at 06:06
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

 

The jazz band Mousetrap actually recorded a very good album based on disco rhythms.

 

 

Major genre of nu fusion (the latest major sub genre of jazz rock fusion), has been doing this for a decade, Jon Hassell and Bluescreen had the first obvious version, but since then jazz pianist Bugge Wesseltoft has done some great albums. Nils Petter Molvaer is another major player in the genre. All these musicians refer/defer to Miles Davis - btw read the recent MD biography covering the last 10 years of his life, and discover how much Davis was involved in rap etc.

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listen massive attack- mezzanine ( progressive dub or trip hop) 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2005 at 07:31
 gO LIVE IN THE HOOD IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THAT CRAP
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Points: 220 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2005 at 07:57
Originally posted by ranger ranger wrote:

 gO LIVE IN THE HOOD IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THAT CRAP




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Originally posted by ranger ranger wrote:

 gO LIVE IN THE HOOD IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THAT CRAP

 

IYHO?
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Points: 2373 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2005 at 10:12
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

 

The jazz band Mousetrap actually recorded a very good album based on disco rhythms.

 

 

Major genre of nu fusion (the latest major sub genre of jazz rock fusion), has been doing this for a decade, Jon Hassell and Bluescreen had the first obvious version, but since then jazz pianist Bugge Wesseltoft has done some great albums. Nils Petter Molvaer is another major player in the genre.

Mousetrap is somewhat different from those guys - they also used some very cheesy 70s' (I think) disco rhythms in a very cool way. I don't believe Wesseltoft or Molvaer made use of this stylistic; haven't really heard any Hassell's stuff, though.   

All these musicians refer/defer to Miles Davis - btw read the recent MD biography covering the last 10 years of his life, and discover how much Davis was involved in rap etc.

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Points: 12812 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2005 at 11:49
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

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The jazz band Mousetrap actually recorded a very good album based on disco rhythms.

 

 haven't really heard any Hassell's stuff, though.   

 

I once got paid for a writing job in teeshirts and CDs. One was my introduction to Jon Hassell/Bluescreen: Dressing For Pleasure (on Warner Brothers), and have particularly liked this for a long time.

 

 



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I'm currently listening to the CD and watching the DVD that comes with Will Calhoun's new album Native Lands

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000B6OH6Q/qid=1134 060816/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_9_1/026-9226558-7204446

Will Calhoun was once with Living Colour, a band at the heart of the NYC-based Black Rock Collective movement in the 80's, and released several innovative albums. The first 20 minutes of the DVD is almost a lecture, about where Calhoun has gone since leaving Living Colour demonstrating a powerful need to explore all musical territories so as to develop/progress his music. This is an excellent example of a person seeking real musical progression. Nothing is off limits including hip hop, jungle, rap - in the hands of this skilled musician all musics can be joined with rock or jazz, for something new and interesting. Thank god, musicians make these choice rather than stick in the mud fans.
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Wow, this thread's still alive ... to sum up ...

All of us love progressive rock

Most of us dislike mainstream rap/hip-hop intensely (some of us think that is all there is), a small minority of  us are fans.

Almost everyone who is a fan of rap/hip-hop and progressive rock can see a work-able fusion

Some (AHEM) who dislike rap/hip-hop and love prog-rock, still can envisage the possibility, and believe it is close-minded to dismiss out of hand something that you haven't heard, and which quite possibly does not as yet exist.

Others who dislike rap/hip-hop and love prog-rock have dismissed the idea immediately (usually on the grounds that they hate mainstream rap/hip-hop ... the theory has been postulated that most of these people aren't musicians and/or suffer from a limited imagination
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Points: 16449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2005 at 12:21
Is this thread still going, somebody please kill it, everything has already been said.
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Originally posted by dream_orchestra dream_orchestra wrote:

Better to be narrowminded and a snob, than ever to think rap has even the slightest possibility of ever becoming (c)rap.

I'm afraid your witty joke there was foiled by not typing the right words.

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by ranger ranger wrote:

 gO LIVE IN THE HOOD IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THAT CRAP


 


IYHO?


Humble?!?

I think ranger should play dungeons and dragons and live in the basement of his parents' house if he wants to listen to prog.
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I command all of thee: Listen to cLOUDDEAD or get beaten into bloody pulps! Maybe not the latter, but cLOUDDEAD is worth a listen, though more an indie/hip-hop mix,there's some psychedelia in the mix as well.
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No one has answered the essential question:  Why is the "C" silent in Crap Music?
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Points: 4097 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2005 at 16:05
I don't think anyone's come up with anything funny, either.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2005 at 20:33

But it is true.....it should never ever featureon these archives again......but then....rap is from the US.......................................................... .........
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Points: 4097 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2005 at 20:40
Only geographically.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2005 at 20:49

And?

 
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Points: 1148 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2005 at 21:24
I am totally blown away by DJ. Shadow, he is amazing. This is so different than hip hop, I highly recomend this to everyone. Anyone got any other recomendations for Dj. Shadow?
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Points: 12812 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2005 at 09:20

Originally posted by Foxtrot Foxtrot wrote:

No one has answered the essential question:  Why is the "C" silent in Crap Music?

 

Because in France they rap la merde rather than le mar?
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