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Poll Question: Which country will be the winner?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 23:04

Netherlands, now or never, they always seem followed by bad luck, two times 2° place.

When they had an amazing team again, Van Basten had the definitive injury and Ruud Gullit fought with the coach.

If not, I'll vote for England, they have a solid team.

I don't want Brazil again, I love their football and country, but let's give the chance to other teams.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2005 at 18:12
As a patriot I must say: POLAND!

Seriously I thik it could be: Brazil, Argentina or Holland

France: I doubt that Zidane, Henry and Makelele can play 7-8 good matches. Zidane has the wors season in his career so far.

England: Sorry, Poland and England are sworn enemies in football so I would gladly see the coming back home after 3 matches.

Spain, Germany & Italy: They have the players but they don`t have the team. That`s all I have to say.

Watch out for Czech, Ukraine and Poland (hopefully)!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2005 at 14:12
Wait, why is Germany so valued out of the blue? Didn't they suck the big one no less than two years ago?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2005 at 10:41
^some people think that because their playing at home they'll pill the preverbial rabbit out of the hat, of course refs always go eith the home side, both England and Portugal have benefited from them at home.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2005 at 17:19

Brazil or Argentina will win the world cup. Beckham is overrated, and winning friendlies is totally meaningless, unless you believe in fairies.

Lichtenstein and San Marino in the final would be a real hoot.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2005 at 19:47

Originally posted by Gentle Ronnie Gentle Ronnie wrote:

Wait, why is Germany so valued out of the blue? Didn't they suck the big one no less than two years ago?

Yes, but that was against Brazil NOT IN EUROPE. I believe Brazil to be incapable in Europe.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2005 at 20:04
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Gentle Ronnie Gentle Ronnie wrote:

Wait, why is Germany so valued out of the blue? Didn't they suck the big one no less than two years ago?

Yes, but that was against Brazil NOT IN EUROPE. I believe Brazil to be incapable in Europe.

Dont count on it Flossy, they no longer rely on their wunderkind () Ronaldo anymore and they will be a threat.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2005 at 04:20
Brazil - 40%
Germany - 20%
England - 12%
France - 10%
Argentina - 8%
Netherlands - 6%
Italy - 3%
Anyone else - 1%

Brazil, enough said.

Germany purely based on will power and home advantage. Their quality is lousy. But they were lousy 4 years ago and went to the finals.

England can go all the way, if Ericsson (or someone else) can forge a team out of some of the best players in the world. And IF Rooney does not lose it and gets sent off. This could be Rooney's tournament, positive or negative.

France is always in with a chance on pure class alone. Argentina too. The Netherlands has a great team spirit (the best in decades) but does not have the experience or the sheer class to have a higher chance of winning. Italy is always an outider.

I honestly cannot see anyone else win the tournament.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2005 at 13:31

Originally posted by Dragon Phoenix Dragon Phoenix wrote:




I honestly cannot see anyone else win the tournament.

Well, you never know... Especially with Greece beating out all of those World-Class teams during Euro 2004. Seriously, you can never count out many teams, except for some of the Asian, North American and African countries.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2005 at 13:41

Here are the teams that are in, but of course, I'm going to bold the teams that have at least a 0.1% chance of winning.

 Angola (ANG) 08-Oct-05
  Cote d'Ivoire (CIV) 08-Oct-05
  Togo (TOG) 08-Oct-05
  Ghana (GHA) 08-Oct-05
  Tunisia (TUN) 08-Oct-05

 

 Team Qualified
  Japan (JPN) 08-Jun-05
  Iran (IRN) 08-Jun-05
  Korea Republic (KOR) 08-Jun-05
  Saudi Arabia (KSA) 08-Jun-05

 

 Team Qualified
  Germany (GER) Host
  Ukraine (UKR) 03-Sep-05
  Netherlands (NED) 08-Oct-05
  Poland (POL) 08-Oct-05
  England (ENG) 08-Oct-05
  Croatia (CRO) 08-Oct-05
  Italy (ITA) 08-Oct-05
  Portugal (POR) 08-Oct-05
  Sweden (SWE) 12-Oct-05
  Serbia and Montenegro (SCG) 12-Oct-05
  France (FRA) 12-Oct-05
  Switzerland (SUI) 16-Nov-05
  Spain (ESP) 16-Nov-05
  Czech Republic (CZE) 16-Nov-05
 Team Qualified
  USA (USA) 03-Sep-05
  Mexico (MEX) 07-Sep-05
  Costa Rica (CRC) 08-Oct-05
  Trinidad and Tobago (TRI) 16-Nov-05
 Team Qualified
  Australia (AUS) 16-Nov-05

 

Team Qualified
  Argentina (ARG) 08-Jun-05
  Brazil (BRA) 04-Sep-05
  Ecuador (ECU) 08-Oct-05
  Paraguay (PAR) 08-Oct-05
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2005 at 17:10

Serbia hasnt got any chance, I don know how they got into the world cup

and dont write of Australia, theyve got some good players from the Premiaship, to qualify any team from Australasia has to go to a knock out stage with one of the south american teams after they win the Australasian leage.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2005 at 17:35
1. Why is this called World Cup, when almost half of the teams are from Europe?
2. Winners will be FIFA and the sponsors.
3. It doesn't matter, which teams are in the final, because getting there is very much a matter of luck and being in the right group from the start, as previous tournaments have shown. Why do you think Germany as host and Brazil as current title holders will be in different groups? Just because the sponsors and FIFA would lose big money, if those two teams would meet too early and one - certainly Germany - would be out of the tournament at an early stage.
4. For all I know, you can't predict who'll win, but you know who will be the losers: the fans. They'll face maximum rip-off of money, if they ever get a chance to get a ticket. Why do most of the tickets go to the sponsors and to officials, anyway?
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2005 at 18:18

Originally posted by Guzzman Guzzman wrote:

1. Why is this called World Cup, when almost half of the teams are from Europe? Qualification and common sense.The best teams are from Europe and S.America.
2. Winners will be FIFA and the sponsors. The winners will be all the football-loving viewers who dont have to pay to watch it on TV.
3. It doesn't matter, which teams are in the final, because getting there is very much a matter of luck and being in the right group from the start, as previous tournaments have shown. Why do you think Germany as host and Brazil as current title holders will be in different groups? Just because the sponsors and FIFA would lose big money, if those two teams would meet too early and one - certainly Germany - would be out of the tournament at an early stage.Germany and Brazil will be seeded to miss each other,which makes sense.There is no luck involved in winning the World Cup.
4. For all I know, you can't predict who'll win, but you know who will be the losers: the fans. They'll face maximum rip-off of money, if they ever get a chance to get a ticket. Why do most of the tickets go to the sponsors and to officials, anyway?Now that's a different matter and a problem that affects every event that is "ticketed"....
 

Such cynicism....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2005 at 18:31

Unfortunately we know that in the end, soccer itself and fans themselves will be the great losers and FIFA will be the winner - with its sponsors.

Things are not fair with soccer since the end of the 70s/beginning of the 80s. Until that date, at least here in South America, clubs were able to afford their players. Pelé played 17 of his 20 years of career only in Brazil; other great players like Brindisi, Pedro Rocha, Figueroa always played in South America (in fact we had a good interchange here among our nations).

So suddenly every good (and many not so good) player was aiming to go to Europe. It's obvious that money counts but several of them are going in a situation worse than they have here. Even stars like the Ronaldos and others complain about the absence of many technical and medical facilities they had here, in Brazil, Argentina, Chile, etc. Recently Ronaldo Lima (from Real Madrid) hurt and he came to Brazil to be treated stating clearly that the conditions for recovery are better here than in Madrid.

The fact is that FIFA is an European entity and is trying to make UEFA a kind of NBA. Agents and promoters that see only money own FIFA and earn a lot of money with the transfers (players have a percentage - and it is the great reason for them accepting the transfers). After paying a fortune for the players, European clubs have to make a big effort to have money back and they engage some of them (the real stars) in the celebrity circuit or start a vicious circle of selling/purchasing of people that reminds me the slavery time - several players after being discarded by clubs end their days working as masons, street sellers even scavengers, etc.

I believe that weakening other continental federations may be good for the FIFA's owner wallets but terrible for the sport.

Another matter is getting some kids ages 14-15, take them to Europe and nationalize some of them in order they could play for European national teams. Is it fair? One thing is a kid that went very young as a real immigrant like Gullit and others but this is not the case for Deco, Asamoa, Oliveira, etc. What to do? Can someone imagine a French or German national team composed by Brazilians, Nigerians, Colombians, Koreans and whatelse?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2005 at 21:24
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Serbia hasnt got any chance, I don know how they got into the world cup

and dont write of Australia, theyve got some good players from the Premiaship, to qualify any team from Australasia has to go to a knock out stage with one of the south american teams after they win the Australasian leage.

Yes, I know. But however, I seriously doubt it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2005 at 22:25
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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by Guzzman Guzzman wrote:

1. Why is this called World Cup, when almost half of the teams are from Europe? Qualification and common sense.The best teams are from Europe and S.America. I would like to see Europe give up one more place to Africa, but unless the North American and Asian teams start performing well regularly (and don't quote me South Korea's semi-final appearance) ... it's hard to justify a better balance ... and that's even though I joke that Europe keeps inventing new nations just to justify its large slice of the pie!
2. Winners will be FIFA and the sponsors. The winners will be all the football-loving viewers who dont have to pay to watch it on TV. FIFA are corrupt jerks no doubt about it ... but by God, I get chills just thinking about the World Cup ... something special about it
3. It doesn't matter, which teams are in the final, because getting there is very much a matter of luck and being in the right group from the start, as previous tournaments have shown. Why do you think Germany as host and Brazil as current title holders will be in different groups? Just because the sponsors and FIFA would lose big money, if those two teams would meet too early and one - certainly Germany - would be out of the tournament at an early stage.Germany and Brazil will be seeded to miss each other,which makes sense.There is no luck involved in winning the World Cup. The seeding makes sense to me too, who wants a first around group with Germany, Brazil, Argentina and Italy and another one with Trinidad & Tobago, Iran, Australia and Togo.
4. For all I know, you can't predict who'll win, but you know who will be the losers: the fans. They'll face maximum rip-off of money, if they ever get a chance to get a ticket. Why do most of the tickets go to the sponsors and to officials, anyway?Now that's a different matter and a problem that affects every event that is "ticketed".... I agree that football is ripping off its fans and putting money in the pockets of those who probably don't need it ... it's called capitalism
 

Such cynicism....

I must add though that Europe's behaviour in terms of rotating the hosting of World Cups is disgusting (is it coincidence that no European team has ever won a World Cup out of Europe?)



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2005 at 05:43

Serbia and Montenegro?

Is that how Yugoslavia is called officially now? Am I missing something?

I am so uninformed.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2005 at 06:46

Germany (home advantage) or Brazil/Argentina (the best teams) will probably win it.

I'd love to think England could do it. They have the players but will no doubt go out in the quarter or semi-finals, on penalties or because one of the hotheads gets himself stupidly sent off. Either Beckham will throw his hair band at the ref or Rooney will lose it and twat someone.

Either way I can't wait for it to start. Whatever the commercial cynicism involved it beats the Olympics as the greatest sporting event in the world IMO.

Brazil vs.Trinidad & Tobago? Italy vs.Togo? Bring it on, four weeks of footballing bliss!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2005 at 07:10
Originally posted by Drachen Theaker Drachen Theaker wrote:

Either way I can't wait for it to start. Whatever the commercial cynicism involved it beats the Olympics as the greatest sporting event in the world IMO.

Brazil vs.Trinidad & Tobago? Italy vs.Togo? Bring it on, four weeks of footballing bliss!


Too right, whatever the commercial cynicism behind some of  it there are going to be some great matches and it always tops the Olympics as a spectacle.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2005 at 19:00
Angola, totally. Their flag is just too beautiful.

Otherwise, my votes go to the Czechs, the Brazilians or the Swedes (Well, one gotta hope...)
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