World Cup 2006 - Football
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Topic: World Cup 2006 - Football
Posted By: Atkingani
Subject: World Cup 2006 - Football
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 07:59
Only a few months for the Soccer World Cup in Germany.
According to newspaper polls favourites are Germany (host) and Brazil (present champion) but surprises may happen.
My vote is obvious!
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Posted By: ColonelClaypool
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 09:02
My vote goes to Brazil as well, Adriano and Ronaldinho are currently the two best strikers in the world... and with Kaka playing just behind them they're going to be hard to stop.
The only thing I'm a little uncertain about regarding the Brazilian team, is the defence/goalkeeper.
Goalkeepers have always been a weak spot for Brazil, and even though Dida is the best they've had in a long time, he's still prone to make bad mistakes.
As for the defence, both Cafu and Roberto Carlos have lost some of their former ability, so it will be interesting to see how they perform.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 09:03
Brazil almost never won in Europe; I think Germany or Italy.
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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 10:04
Although The Netherlands are in the FIFA Top 3 and have lost only 1 game since Marco Van Basten became boss, I don't think they have sufficient experience and team spirit. Brazil and Argentina do have very good teams, Spain and France are also strong but in my opinion Italy sneaks to the finale with their 'catanaccio' (right spelling, Andrea?) and then the terrible diver Inzaghi scores the winning goal, soccer is not a friend of justice (The Netherlands always have bad luck when they reach the final four of a European - or World Championship ..). By the way, I hope Argentine super-talent Mezzi and genius Ronaldino (both playing for Barcelona) will get the opportunity to show their amazing skills, it's up to to referees!
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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 10:22
erik neuteboom wrote:
Although The Netherlands are in the FIFA Top 3 and have lost only 1 game since Marco Van Basten became boss, I don't think they have sufficient experience and team spirit. Brazil and Argentina do have very good teams, Spain and France are also strong but in my opinion Italy sneaks to the finale with their 'catenaccio' (right spelling, Andrea?) and then the terrible diver Inzaghi scores the winning goal, soccer is not a friend of justice (The Netherlands always have bad luck when they reach the final four of a European - or World Championship ..). By the way, I hope Argentine super-talent Mezzi and genius Ronaldino (both playing for Barcelona) will get the opportunity to show their amazing skills, it's up to to referees! |
Hello Erik, you're a connoisseur of the italian football vocabulary!
Hope Italy will play good games...our team seems to be not very strong, but frequently lucky. And no one can't go far only being lucky!
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Posted By: Under
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 10:31
The Netherlands against Togo in the final.
Well, one of them isn't serious....
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Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 10:42
Czech Republic...
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 10:45
I have to say...
Mexico
but to be honest... Brazil, Netherlands and Italy are like always the best teams
Germany mmm nope
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 12:03
Germany joint favourite
They havent won a competative match against established tough competition in 5 years.
Im voting England (who else) as we proved a match for Argentina beating them 3-2 at the weekend (I promise not to glote).
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 12:05
Does any one no if Greece have qualified for the World Cup or are we going to be without the european champions this time.
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 13:37
Greece is out.
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Posted By: krusty
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:00
England..They've got to get it together sooner or later.
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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:24
I love English football, I always watch Match Of The Day, I have visited many English games in Machester, Liverpool and London but it's always the same with England: bad penalties, stupid red carts or simply bad luck, despite Lampard, Owen, Beckham, Rooney and Terry I'm afraid that England won't even reach the last four, it seems to be their destiny .... like Spain , same story!
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Posted By: ColonelClaypool
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 20:51
Beckham is terribly overrated imo, he's got good freekicks and not much else. I still haven't figured out what Real Madrid was thinking when they expected him to take over Claude Makelele's role in their team.
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 21:10
sleeper wrote:
Germany joint favourite
They havent won a competative match against established tough competition in 5 years.
Im voting England (who else) as we proved a match for Argentina beating them 3-2 at the weekend (I promise not to glote).
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Say what you want about Germany ... but try and show me the last time they didn't make at least the last 8 of the World Cup ... I think it was 1950 ... even when these guys are lousy (remember their form before the last World Cup) ... they seem to come good ... with home advantage and a good draw (which seems to happen a lot!) ... who knows?
I think they'll be the biggest challengers to the true GODS of football ...
if you have to ask ... you either don't know your football history or you're in denial ...
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 22:27
Germany will definitely win, especially in a VERY FRIENDLY home atmosphere.
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 23:36
You mean Football is still popular?
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Posted By: ChadFromCanada
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 00:05
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 00:31
Drew wrote:
You mean Football is still popular? |
Football will always be popular, but you will never be.
Anyway.. Brazil.
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Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 12:18
I'm daft enough to believe if I vote for England I'll ruin their chances, so I'll vote for Brazil and spoil theirs instead!
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 14:04
Trotsky wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Germany joint favourite
They havent won a competative match against established tough competition in 5 years.
Im voting England (who else) as we proved a match for Argentina beating them 3-2 at the weekend (I promise not to glote).
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Say what you want about Germany ... but try and show me the last time they didn't make at least the last 8 of the World Cup ... I think it was 1950 ... even when these guys are lousy (remember their form before the last World Cup) ... they seem to come good ... with home advantage and a good draw (which seems to happen a lot!) ... who knows?
I think they'll be the biggest challengers to the true GODS of football ...
if you have to ask ... you either don't know your football history or you're in denial ...
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Germany havnt had true world class form since the '98 world cup, they got lucky in '02 as the hardes team they faced before Brazil was the USA, dosent really say that much about Germany does it.
I see Brazil are leading, suprise suprise, though my head says brazil and my heart says England
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 15:20
ColonelClaypool wrote:
Beckham is terribly overrated imo, he's got good freekicks and not much else. I still haven't figured out what Real Madrid was thinking when they expected him to take over Claude Makelele's role in their team. |
Have you actually watched any Real Madrid games recently?
Beckham is the best player week in week out.
Rather than free kicks he's the best crosser of the ball in the game and can still land a long pass on a sixpence.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 15:27
Brazil are not the force they were,I'd go out on a limb and say they will be lucky to progress further than the Q-Finals. My thoughts: Argentiina are very strong and Italy destroyed Holland recently.Do not discount the Germans on home turf,history suggests they will do well.England probably have as good a team as anybody on paper but they take too long to adapt tactically and Ericsson is not adventurous enough.
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 18:29
Although it's probably going to be Brazil or Germany taking the championship, I decided this year I am going to pull for France to win.
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 22:51
sleeper wrote:
Trotsky wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Germany joint favourite
They havent won a competative match against established tough competition in 5 years.
Im voting England (who else) as we proved a match for Argentina beating them 3-2 at the weekend (I promise not to glote).
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Say what you want about Germany ... but try and show me the last time they didn't make at least the last 8 of the World Cup ... I think it was 1950 ... even when these guys are lousy (remember their form before the last World Cup) ... they seem to come good ... with home advantage and a good draw (which seems to happen a lot!) ... who knows?
I think they'll be the biggest challengers to the true GODS of football ...
if you have to ask ... you either don't know your football history or you're in denial ...
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Germany havnt had true world class form since the '98 world cup, they got lucky in '02 as the hardes team they faced before Brazil was the USA, dosent really say that much about Germany does it.
I see Brazil are leading, suprise suprise, though my head says brazil and my heart says England
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To me, sleeper, it does say quite a bit about Germany ... they had a lucky draw last time, even in 1998, until Croatia spanked them, they were lucky ... in 1986, I remember they were lucky in the second round againt Morocco and the quarter-finals against Mexico (which they won on penalties) ...
in 1974, West Germany started off by losing to East Germany and ended up beating Holland's greatest-ever team in the finals, in 1954 they lost 8-3 to Hungary in the group stages, but fought back from 2-0 in the final to beat Hungary's greatest-ever team 3-2, in 1982, they started off losing to Algeria 3-2, had a highliy dubious 1-0 win against Austria, were dead and buried against France 3-1 a game which included Schumacher's foul of the century, and they still made it to the final ...
Granted most of those squads had better quality players than this current crop (Kahn and Ballack aside), but I still have this grudging acknowledgement of the resilience of the German football team ... a combination of home support, the good draw that usually comes with being hosts and mental strength makes them contenders in my book ... I'd be very surprised if they didn't make the last 4 ...
I dislike the German style intensely, but I always fear them ...
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 23:17
Logos wrote:
Drew wrote:
You mean Football is still popular? |
Football will always be popular, but you will never be.
Anyway.. Brazil. |
haha- so weak- hahaha
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 08:25
Confirmed list of the 32 national teams classified for the World Cup 2006:
Europe: Germany, England, Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, The Netherlands, Sweden, Poland, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Ukraine, Croatia, Serbia-Montenegro. (14)
South America: Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Ecuador. (4)
North-Central America: USA, Mexico, Costa Rica, Trinidad-Tobago. (4)
Africa: Angola, Togo, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Tunisia. (5)
Asia: Japan, South Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia. (4)
Oceania: Australia. (1)
Notable absences: Greece (Euro-champion), Belgium, Turkey, Denmark, Russia, Hungary, Scotland, Ireland, Austria, Romania, Bulgaria, Uruguay, Colombia, Nigeria, Cameroon, Algeria, South Africa, China.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 09:40
Lichtemstein will win in a shoo-in!!!!!
Waddya mean they're not in?!?! - friggin scandalous!!!!
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Posted By: ColonelClaypool
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 10:59
Atkingani wrote:
Notable absences: Greece (Euro-champion), Belgium, Turkey, Denmark, Russia, Hungary, Scotland, Ireland, Austria, Romania, Bulgaria, Uruguay, Colombia, Nigeria, Cameroon, Algeria, South Africa, China. |
I'm happy to see that Norway isn't mentioned in the 'notable absences', what a sh*tty team we have.. they have no business being in a championship.
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 11:05
ColonelClaypool wrote:
Atkingani wrote:
Notable absences: Greece (Euro-champion), Belgium, Turkey, Denmark, Russia, Hungary, Scotland, Ireland, Austria, Romania, Bulgaria, Uruguay, Colombia, Nigeria, Cameroon, Algeria, South Africa, China.
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I'm happy to see that Norway isn't mentioned in the 'notable absences', what a sh*tty team we have.. they have no business being in a championship. |
Sorry!
How could I forget the team that defeated Brazil in 1998 and turning from 0-1 to 2-1. The last time it had ocurred in a World Cup, with Brazil, was in 1950 against Uruguay.
Norway played well and had a good team then!
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Posted By: ColonelClaypool
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 11:20
That was back then... now they stink
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 16:23
Atkingani wrote:
Notable absences: Greece (Euro-champion), Belgium, Turkey, Denmark, Russia, Hungary, Scotland, Ireland, Austria, Romania, Bulgaria, Uruguay, Colombia, Nigeria, Cameroon, Algeria, South Africa, China.
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I've noted the ones that i consider to be real suprises, I know turkey have been droping off steadily since the last world cup so they dont supprise but the highlighted ones really do.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 16:26
Atkingani wrote:
Confirmed list of the 32 national teams classified for the World Cup 2006:
Europe: Germany, England, Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, The Netherlands, Sweden, Poland, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Ukraine, Croatia, Serbia-Montenegro. (14)
South America: Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Ecuador. (4)
North-Central America: USA, Mexico, Costa Rica, Trinidad-Tobago. (4)
Africa: Angola, Togo, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Tunisia. (5)
Asia: Japan, South Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia. (4)
Oceania: Australia. (1)
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Heres the one's that i think are suprising to see in the world cup, and yes considering Frances recent tonament history (not couning the fluky England match) they are a suprise to be in there, and thats not the African entry I would have expected.
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 16:55
I believe that the next champion will be a team who already won a previous World Cup... but my prospects for 2010 are for a new champion. One candidate is USA.
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Posted By: ColonelClaypool
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 19:29
sleeper wrote:
Atkingani wrote:
Notable absences: Greece (Euro-champion), Belgium, Turkey, Denmark, Russia, Hungary, Scotland, Ireland, Austria, Romania, Bulgaria, Uruguay, Colombia, Nigeria, Cameroon, Algeria, South Africa, China.
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I've noted the ones that i consider to be real suprises, I know turkey have been droping off steadily since the last world cup so they dont supprise but the highlighted ones really do. |
Not really surprising that Scotland and Ireland didn't make it imo. Scotland played in Norway's qualifying group and finished, um, fourth I think, behind Italy, Norway(who got playoff) and Slovenia.
I'd also say it's a bigger surprise Romania, Bulgaria and Turkey didn't make it than it is Scotland, Ireland and Austria missing out.
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 21:40
ColonelClaypool wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Atkingani wrote:
Notable absences: Greece (Euro-champion), Belgium, Turkey, Denmark, Russia, Hungary, Scotland, Ireland, Austria, Romania, Bulgaria, Uruguay, Colombia, Nigeria, Cameroon, Algeria, South Africa, China.
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I've noted the ones that i consider to be real suprises, I know turkey have been droping off steadily since the last world cup so they dont supprise but the highlighted ones really do.
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Not really surprising that Scotland and Ireland didn't make it imo. Scotland played in Norway's qualifying group and finished, um, fourth I think, behind Italy, Norway(who got playoff) and Slovenia.
I'd also say it's a bigger surprise Romania, Bulgaria and Turkey didn't make it than it is Scotland, Ireland and Austria missing out. |
Yes must say sleeper, I think Scotland in particular have experienced a dramatic drop in the quality of players at their disposal ... I said this in a previous thread when Northern Ireland beat England ... but in the 80s the Scottish team had a surplus of talent all over the park
Keepers: Jim Leighton, Alan Rough
Defenders: George Burley, Gordon McQueen, Arthur Albiston, Kenny Burns, Alan Hansen, Alex McLeish, Willie Miller
Midfielders: Graeme Sounness, John Wark, John Robertson, Peter Weir, Gordon Strachan
Strikers: Kenny Daglish, Steve Archibald, Alan Brazil, Joe Jordan, Mark McGhee, Frank McAvennie
This if offhand there were many more ...
The current team where Barry Ferguson and Darren Fletcher are the main hopes ... just isn't of the same quality ...
Of course for me the greatest absentee in this year's World Cup is the misfiring Colombian team ... it is my fervent belief that Colombia have the biggest pool of talent in South America after Brazil and Argentina
Historically of course, there's no doubt that 2-time World Cup winners and 14 time Copa America champions Uruguay are the most important asbsentees ...
A bit shocking that Nigeria, Cameroon and Senegal all failed on the last day ... but hopefully there's a big surprise coming from one of the West African newbies
As for my own country, Malaysia ... we are further away than ever ... in the 70s (when we had our best ever team) we beat Japan 9-0 ... the last time we played they beat us 5-0 ...
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 09:55
Hey Trotsky, are you a football commentator?
You should come to Brazil and get a job on our TVs. Sport guys here know nothing about anything.
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 12:23
Atkingani wrote:
Hey Trotsky, are you a football commentator?
You should come to Brazil and get a job on our TVs. Sport guys here know nothing about anything.
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... thank Atkingani ... actually when I like something ... I go all out and do a lot of research ... and become a know-it-all ... but when I'm not interested ... I'm useless ... like cars ... I know almost nothing about cars ...
It is a funny situation being a journalist (especially a music specialist) ... because for most days over the last 10 years I've sat down for lunch with specialists on books, movies, tv and music ... and some of my other good friends are poitical, crime and sports journalists (I just came back from a birthday party three hours ago ... for my friend who is Malaysian editor of 4-4-2 magazine, in fact!) ...
Maybe a little over-analytical sometimes ... and too much useless information I think
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 14:26
Trotsky wrote:
Atkingani wrote:
Hey Trotsky, are you a football commentator?
You should come to Brazil and get a job on our TVs. Sport guys here know nothing about anything.
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... thank Atkingani ... actually when I like something ... I go all out and do a lot of research ... and become a know-it-all ... but when I'm not interested ... I'm useless ... like cars ... I know almost nothing about cars ...
It is a funny situation being a journalist (especially a music specialist) ... because for most days over the last 10 years I've sat down for lunch with specialists on books, movies, tv and music ... and some of my other good friends are poitical, crime and sports journalists (I just came back from a birthday party three hours ago ... for my friend who is Malaysian editor of 4-4-2 magazine, in fact!) ...
Maybe a little over-analytical sometimes ... and too much useless information I think
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I could easily solve the the cars problem, road or race, I know too much
Thinking about it your right that Scotland and Irland failing isnt a supprise but Scotland, like Uraguay are historically important to the game as members of the old guard.
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 15:25
Watching just now Barcelona x Real Madrid... what to say about Ronaldo Assis, from Barcelona? MONSTER!!!
It is clear now that the famous 2nd goal against England in 2002 was not by chance. He wanted to put the ball that place out of Seaman's reach. He does anything he wants with the sphere.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 23:04
Netherlands, now or never, they always seem followed by bad luck, two times 2° place.
When they had an amazing team again, Van Basten had the definitive injury and Ruud Gullit fought with the coach.
If not, I'll vote for England, they have a solid team.
I don't want Brazil again, I love their football and country, but let's give the chance to other teams.
Iván
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Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: November 26 2005 at 18:12
As a patriot I must say: POLAND!
Seriously I thik it could be: Brazil, Argentina or Holland
France: I doubt that Zidane, Henry and Makelele can play 7-8 good matches. Zidane has the wors season in his career so far.
England: Sorry, Poland and England are sworn enemies in football so I would gladly see the coming back home after 3 matches.
Spain, Germany & Italy: They have the players but they don`t have the team. That`s all I have to say.
Watch out for Czech, Ukraine and Poland (hopefully)!
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Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: November 28 2005 at 14:12
Wait, why is Germany so valued out of the blue? Didn't they suck the big one no less than two years ago?
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 29 2005 at 10:41
^some people think that because their playing at home they'll pill the preverbial rabbit out of the hat, of course refs always go eith the home side, both England and Portugal have benefited from them at home.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 29 2005 at 17:19
Brazil or Argentina will win the world cup. Beckham is overrated, and winning friendlies is totally meaningless, unless you believe in fairies.
Lichtenstein and San Marino in the final would be a real hoot.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: November 29 2005 at 19:47
Gentle Ronnie wrote:
Wait, why is Germany so valued out of the blue? Didn't they suck the big one no less than two years ago? |
Yes, but that was against Brazil NOT IN EUROPE. I believe Brazil to be incapable in Europe.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 29 2005 at 20:04
King of Loss wrote:
Gentle Ronnie wrote:
Wait, why is Germany so valued out of the blue? Didn't they suck the big one no less than two years ago? |
Yes, but that was against Brazil NOT IN EUROPE. I believe Brazil to be incapable in Europe.
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Dont count on it Flossy, they no longer rely on their wunderkind () Ronaldo anymore and they will be a threat.
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Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: December 01 2005 at 04:20
Brazil - 40%
Germany - 20%
England - 12%
France - 10%
Argentina - 8%
Netherlands - 6%
Italy - 3%
Anyone else - 1%
Brazil, enough said.
Germany purely based on will power and home advantage. Their quality is
lousy. But they were lousy 4 years ago and went to the finals.
England can go all the way, if Ericsson (or someone else) can forge a
team out of some of the best players in the world. And IF Rooney does
not lose it and gets sent off. This could be Rooney's tournament,
positive or negative.
France is always in with a chance on pure class alone. Argentina too.
The Netherlands has a great team spirit (the best in decades) but does
not have the experience or the sheer class to have a higher chance of
winning. Italy is always an outider.
I honestly cannot see anyone else win the tournament.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: December 01 2005 at 13:31
Dragon Phoenix wrote:
I honestly cannot see anyone else win the tournament.
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Well, you never know... Especially with Greece beating out all of those World-Class teams during Euro 2004. Seriously, you can never count out many teams, except for some of the Asian, North American and African countries.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: December 01 2005 at 13:41
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: December 01 2005 at 17:10
Serbia hasnt got any chance, I don know how they got into the world cup
and dont write of Australia, theyve got some good players from the Premiaship, to qualify any team from Australasia has to go to a knock out stage with one of the south american teams after they win the Australasian leage.
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Posted By: Guzzman
Date Posted: December 01 2005 at 17:35
1. Why is this called World Cup, when almost half of the teams are from Europe?
2. Winners will be FIFA and the sponsors.
3. It doesn't matter, which teams are in the final, because getting
there is very much a matter of luck and being in the right group from
the start, as previous tournaments have shown. Why do you think Germany
as host and Brazil as current title holders will be in different
groups? Just because the sponsors and FIFA would lose big money, if
those two teams would meet too early and one - certainly Germany -
would be out of the tournament at an early stage.
4. For all I know, you can't predict who'll win, but you know who will
be the losers: the fans. They'll face maximum rip-off of money, if they
ever get a chance to get a ticket. Why do most of the tickets go to the
sponsors and to officials, anyway?
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 01 2005 at 18:18
Guzzman wrote:
1. Why is this called World Cup, when almost half of the teams are from Europe? Qualification and common sense.The best teams are from Europe and S.America. 2. Winners will be FIFA and the sponsors. The winners will be all the football-loving viewers who dont have to pay to watch it on TV. 3. It doesn't matter, which teams are in the final, because getting there is very much a matter of luck and being in the right group from the start, as previous tournaments have shown. Why do you think Germany as host and Brazil as current title holders will be in different groups? Just because the sponsors and FIFA would lose big money, if those two teams would meet too early and one - certainly Germany - would be out of the tournament at an early stage.Germany and Brazil will be seeded to miss each other,which makes sense.There is no luck involved in winning the World Cup. 4. For all I know, you can't predict who'll win, but you know who will be the losers: the fans. They'll face maximum rip-off of money, if they ever get a chance to get a ticket. Why do most of the tickets go to the sponsors and to officials, anyway?Now that's a different matter and a problem that affects every event that is "ticketed"....
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Such cynicism....
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: December 01 2005 at 18:31
Unfortunately we know that in the end, soccer itself and fans themselves will be the great losers and FIFA will be the winner - with its sponsors.
Things are not fair with soccer since the end of the 70s/beginning of the 80s. Until that date, at least here in South America, clubs were able to afford their players. Pelé played 17 of his 20 years of career only in Brazil; other great players like Brindisi, Pedro Rocha, Figueroa always played in South America (in fact we had a good interchange here among our nations).
So suddenly every good (and many not so good) player was aiming to go to Europe. It's obvious that money counts but several of them are going in a situation worse than they have here. Even stars like the Ronaldos and others complain about the absence of many technical and medical facilities they had here, in Brazil, Argentina, Chile, etc. Recently Ronaldo Lima (from Real Madrid) hurt and he came to Brazil to be treated stating clearly that the conditions for recovery are better here than in Madrid.
The fact is that FIFA is an European entity and is trying to make UEFA a kind of NBA. Agents and promoters that see only money own FIFA and earn a lot of money with the transfers (players have a percentage - and it is the great reason for them accepting the transfers). After paying a fortune for the players, European clubs have to make a big effort to have money back and they engage some of them (the real stars) in the celebrity circuit or start a vicious circle of selling/purchasing of people that reminds me the slavery time - several players after being discarded by clubs end their days working as masons, street sellers even scavengers, etc.
I believe that weakening other continental federations may be good for the FIFA's owner wallets but terrible for the sport.
Another matter is getting some kids ages 14-15, take them to Europe and nationalize some of them in order they could play for European national teams. Is it fair? One thing is a kid that went very young as a real immigrant like Gullit and others but this is not the case for Deco, Asamoa, Oliveira, etc. What to do? Can someone imagine a French or German national team composed by Brazilians, Nigerians, Colombians, Koreans and whatelse?
SORRY IF I COULDN'T EXPLAIN BETTER!!!
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: December 01 2005 at 21:24
sleeper wrote:
Serbia hasnt got any chance, I don know how they got into the world cup
and dont write of Australia, theyve got some good players from the Premiaship, to qualify any team from Australasia has to go to a knock out stage with one of the south american teams after they win the Australasian leage.
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Yes, I know. But however, I seriously doubt it.
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: December 01 2005 at 22:25
Trotsky's thoughts in blue
Tony R wrote:
Guzzman wrote:
1. Why is this called World Cup, when almost half of the teams are from Europe? Qualification and common sense.The best teams are from Europe and S.America. I would like to see Europe give up one more place to Africa, but unless the North American and Asian teams start performing well regularly (and don't quote me South Korea's semi-final appearance) ... it's hard to justify a better balance ... and that's even though I joke that Europe keeps inventing new nations just to justify its large slice of the pie! 2. Winners will be FIFA and the sponsors. The winners will be all the football-loving viewers who dont have to pay to watch it on TV. FIFA are corrupt jerks no doubt about it ... but by God, I get chills just thinking about the World Cup ... something special about it 3. It doesn't matter, which teams are in the final, because getting there is very much a matter of luck and being in the right group from the start, as previous tournaments have shown. Why do you think Germany as host and Brazil as current title holders will be in different groups? Just because the sponsors and FIFA would lose big money, if those two teams would meet too early and one - certainly Germany - would be out of the tournament at an early stage.Germany and Brazil will be seeded to miss each other,which makes sense.There is no luck involved in winning the World Cup. The seeding makes sense to me too, who wants a first around group with Germany, Brazil, Argentina and Italy and another one with Trinidad & Tobago, Iran, Australia and Togo. 4. For all I know, you can't predict who'll win, but you know who will be the losers: the fans. They'll face maximum rip-off of money, if they ever get a chance to get a ticket. Why do most of the tickets go to the sponsors and to officials, anyway?Now that's a different matter and a problem that affects every event that is "ticketed".... I agree that football is ripping off its fans and putting money in the pockets of those who probably don't need it ... it's called capitalism
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Such cynicism....
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I must add though that Europe's behaviour in terms of rotating the hosting of World Cups is disgusting (is it coincidence that no European team has ever won a World Cup out of Europe?)
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Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: December 02 2005 at 05:43
Serbia and Montenegro?
Is that how Yugoslavia is called officially now? Am I missing something?
I am so uninformed.
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Posted By: Drachen Theaker
Date Posted: December 02 2005 at 06:46
Germany (home advantage) or Brazil/Argentina (the best teams) will probably win it.
I'd love to think England could do it. They have the players but will no doubt go out in the quarter or semi-finals, on penalties or because one of the hotheads gets himself stupidly sent off. Either Beckham will throw his hair band at the ref or Rooney will lose it and twat someone.
Either way I can't wait for it to start. Whatever the commercial cynicism involved it beats the Olympics as the greatest sporting event in the world IMO.
Brazil vs.Trinidad & Tobago? Italy vs.Togo? Bring it on, four weeks of footballing bliss!
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Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: December 02 2005 at 07:10
Drachen Theaker wrote:
Either way I can't wait for it to start.
Whatever the commercial cynicism involved it beats the Olympics as
the greatest sporting event in the world IMO.
Brazil vs.Trinidad & Tobago? Italy vs.Togo? Bring it on, four weeks of footballing bliss! |
Too right, whatever the commercial cynicism behind some of it
there are going to be some great matches and it always tops the
Olympics as a spectacle.
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Posted By: Heraclea
Date Posted: December 02 2005 at 19:00
Angola, totally. Their flag is just too beautiful.
Otherwise, my votes go to the Czechs, the Brazilians or the Swedes (Well, one gotta hope...)
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 00:03
Heraclea wrote:
Angola, totally. Their flag is just too beautiful.
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Posted By: Korova
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 05:00
I hope Italy naturally but...I would like to see an African team to
reach at least the finals. I like the way Africans play football
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Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 16:30
Yeah, I love it how they can't even buy themselves shoes.
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Posted By: EL OSO
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 17:15
As much as I love my country, I know Mexico is not going to be the champion. But I find as my favourites Czech Republic, Brazil, Netherlands, Germany and Italy.
Czech Republic with the return of the best player in the world, in my opinion, Pavel Nedved, will guiide them to the victory way, with other great players like Poborsky, Koller, Smicer and Baros.
Brazil is the logical favourite, because they seem invencibles, with greats such as Ronaldinho, Kaká, Adriano and a thousand more.
Netherlands, I think is their final chance, they got to take advantage of the great players they have like Van Nistelrooy, Robben, Van Bommel and Van Der Vaart.
Germany because they´re in their home, and they have Ballack, Deissler, Frings and Klose.
And finally Italy, with one of my favourite players in the world like Del Piero, Zambrotta, Nesta, Gilardino, Totti, Cassanno, and many more.
That´s what I think. I really love soccer.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 18:18
Gentle Ronnie wrote:
Yeah, I love it how they can't even buy themselves shoes. |
Yea. But then they go out and beat France
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 04:34
What do you guys think about this team:
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 07:11
Fidel Miralles wrote:
What do you guys think about this team:
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Permananent underacheivers ... one day this may change ...
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Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 14:57
ITALIA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: December 05 2005 at 04:15
Fidel Miralles wrote:
What do you guys think about this team:
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I dont
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Posted By: Dream Theater
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 16:48
Italy!
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Posted By: Pylo
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 17:20
sleeper wrote:
Atkingani wrote:
Confirmed list of the 32 national teams classified for the World Cup 2006:
Europe: Germany, England, Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, The Netherlands, Sweden, Poland, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Ukraine, Croatia, Serbia-Montenegro. (14)
South America: Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Ecuador. (4)
North-Central America: USA, Mexico, Costa Rica, Trinidad-Tobago. (4)
Africa: Angola, Togo, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Tunisia. (5)
Asia: Japan, South Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia. (4)
Oceania: Australia. (1)
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Heres the one's that i think are suprising to see in the world cup, and yes considering Frances recent tonament history (not couning the fluky England match) they are a suprise to be in there, and thats not the African entry I would have expected.
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Fluky ! France wons World Cup 1998, Euro 2000 and played semi-final in English Euro 1996, so let's be serious, i think the worst team in recent tournaments is Spain.
My favourites for 2006 are : 1) Brazil 2) England 3) France
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 17:26
Pylo wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Atkingani wrote:
Confirmed list of the 32 national teams classified for the World Cup 2006:
Europe: Germany, England, Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, The Netherlands, Sweden, Poland, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Ukraine, Croatia, Serbia-Montenegro. (14)
South America: Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Ecuador. (4)
North-Central America: USA, Mexico, Costa Rica, Trinidad-Tobago. (4)
Africa: Angola, Togo, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Tunisia. (5)
Asia: Japan, South Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia. (4)
Oceania: Australia. (1)
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Heres the one's that i think are suprising to see in the world cup, and yes considering Frances recent tonament history (not couning the fluky England match) they are a suprise to be in there, and thats not the African entry I would have expected.
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Fluky ! France wons World Cup 1998, Euro 2000 and played semi-final in English Euro 1996, so let's be serious, i think the worst team in recent tournaments is Spain.
My favourites for 2006 are : 1) Brazil 2) England 3) France
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Yes but lets be serious, the only thing France did right in that match was 2 spot kicks in the 89th and 92nd minute.
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Posted By: Pylo
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 17:37
sleeper wrote:
Pylo wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Atkingani wrote:
Confirmed list of the 32 national teams classified for the World Cup 2006:
Europe: Germany, England, Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, The Netherlands, Sweden, Poland, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Ukraine, Croatia, Serbia-Montenegro. (14)
South America: Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Ecuador. (4)
North-Central America: USA, Mexico, Costa Rica, Trinidad-Tobago. (4)
Africa: Angola, Togo, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Tunisia. (5)
Asia: Japan, South Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia. (4)
Oceania: Australia. (1)
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Heres the one's that i think are suprising to see in the world cup, and yes considering Frances recent tonament history (not couning the fluky England match) they are a suprise to be in there, and thats not the African entry I would have expected.
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Fluky ! France wons World Cup 1998, Euro 2000 and played semi-final in English Euro 1996, so let's be serious, i think the worst team in recent tournaments is Spain.
My favourites for 2006 are : 1) Brazil 2) England 3) France
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Yes but lets be serious, the only thing France did right in that match was 2 spot kicks in the 89th and 92nd minute.
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I was joking, you're right, but don't forget the penalty stop ! But i really think Spain is the weakest link in tournaments !
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 18:17
^What? weaker than Trinadad and Tobago
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Posted By: gaita
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 18:52
ARGENTINA
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Posted By: Drachen Theaker
Date Posted: January 11 2006 at 18:20
gaita wrote:
ARGENTINA 2 ENGLAND 3
Sorry, couldn't resist it!
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Posted By: gaita
Date Posted: January 20 2006 at 15:12
Drachen Theaker wrote:
gaita wrote:
ARGENTINA 2 ENGLAND 3
Sorry, couldn't resist it!
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Argentina was champion in 1978 and 1986...England only in 1966.....
ARGENTINA 2
ENGLAND 1
Sorry, couldn´t resist it!!!
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Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: January 20 2006 at 15:30
FORZA RAGAZZI !!!
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: January 20 2006 at 19:55
I am very sad Greece is out...
I would say Brazil, though Spain IMO always has one of the best players but their team seems to underachieve... Germany nope, England maybe and I expect many things from beloved Argentina...
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Posted By: Page to Squire
Date Posted: January 21 2006 at 08:47
If england win they wont stop talking about it for another 40 years!!!!!!. Dont underestimated Holland or Mexico, there is always a shock team
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Posted By: EL OSO
Date Posted: January 21 2006 at 12:53
gaita wrote:
Drachen Theaker wrote:
gaita wrote:
ARGENTINA 2 ENGLAND 3
Sorry, couldn't resist it!
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Argentina was champion in 1978 and 1986...England only in 1966.....
ARGENTINA 2
ENGLAND 1
Sorry, couldn´t resist it!!! | |
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Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: January 21 2006 at 15:13
FINAL :
ITALY - 2
BRAZIL - 1
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: January 21 2006 at 15:41
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Posted By: Drachen Theaker
Date Posted: January 21 2006 at 17:12
gaita wrote:
Drachen Theaker wrote:
gaita wrote:
ARGENTINA 2ENGLAND 3
Sorry, couldn't resist it! |
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Argentina was champion in 1978 and 1986...England only in
1966.....
ARGENTINA 2
ENGLAND 1
Sorry, couldn´t resist it!!! |
England v Argentina head to head record in World Cups:
Played: 5
Argentina victories: 1 (due to illegal goal)
Draws: 1
England victories: 3
So...
ARGENTINA 1
ENGLAND 3
Anyway talk is cheap, we'll soon see who's best in Germany.
May the best team win amigo!
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Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: February 09 2006 at 12:19
I'm surprised that the Czech Republic isn't an optino, the'll be probably the winners, they are one of the best's team just next to brazil and england, one of these three will be surely the winner. As a good Uruguayan I'm a soccer fan.
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: February 09 2006 at 18:37
Rorro wrote:
I'm surprised that the Czech Republic isn't an optino, the'll be probably the winners, they are one of the best's team just next to brazil and england, one of these three will be surely the winner. As a good Uruguayan I'm a soccer fan.
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Rorro, when I created this poll the Czechs weren't still classified. But I agree that they are a great option!
P.S.: nice to see another Latin American here, bienvenido!
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Posted By: Publius84
Date Posted: February 09 2006 at 18:56
Poland, Poland, Poland
Poland will be the winner
Go Poland
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: February 09 2006 at 20:07
Brazil is not that good anymore but their reputation is always worth a goal start.
Argentina,Holland,Italy,Germany and............England!
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: February 09 2006 at 22:49
Ahhhhh...I saw football in the title of this topic and thought this was a discussion about REAL football.
But you all are talking about soccer.
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 02:02
TheProgtologist wrote:
Ahhhhh...I saw football in the title of this topic and thought this was a discussion about REAL football.
But you all are talking about soccer.
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yup this is the one where we use a foot to kick a spherical object called a ball ... hence the name
For what it's worth I'm one of the few people I know who enjoys both
real football and the American game (partial to the rushing
quarterbacks of the Philadelphia Eagles Cunningham and McNab)
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"No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present."
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Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 02:21
ARGENTINA
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 07:42
Trotsky wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Ahhhhh...I saw football in the title of this topic and thought this was a discussion about REAL football.
But you all are talking about soccer.
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yup this is the one where we use a foot to kick a spherical object called a ball ... hence the name
For what it's worth I'm one of the few people I know who enjoys both real football and the American game (partial to the rushing quarterbacks of the Philadelphia Eagles Cunningham and McNab)
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Me too, Trotsky... I like football and the footoval.
Generally I like more the collective sports and in special those where illogical results may happen.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 08:14
Trotsky wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Ahhhhh...I saw football in the title of this topic and thought this was a discussion about REAL football.
But you all are talking about soccer.
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yup this is the one where we use a foot to kick a spherical object called a ball ... hence the name
For what it's worth I'm one of the few people I know who enjoys both real football and the American game (partial to the rushing quarterbacks of the Philadelphia Eagles Cunningham and McNab)
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I like scrambling QB's too.Besides the ones you named Steve Young,Michael Vick and Bert Jones are favorites.The only problem is most of them have shorter careers than QB's who stay in the pocket.
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 10:22
TheProgtologist wrote:
Trotsky wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Ahhhhh...I saw football in the title of this topic and thought this was a discussion about REAL football.
But you all are talking about soccer.
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yup this is the one where we use a foot to kick a spherical object called a ball ... hence the name
For what it's worth I'm one of the few people I know who enjoys both real football and the American game (partial to the rushing quarterbacks of the Philadelphia Eagles Cunningham and McNab)
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I like scrambling QB's too.Besides the ones you named Steve Young,Michael Vick and Bert Jones are favorites.The only problem is most of them have shorter careers than QB's who stay in the pocket.
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BTW, I once read that Dan Marino's rushing average distance is measured in inches!
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 10:31
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 10:40
He might not have been the first,but Tarkington was one of the best.
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 10:41
Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 10:52
Jody ... thanks! good to know that Tarkington (well it was close) wasn't just part of my imagination ...
Guigo ... yes Chilavert is a great free-kick taker (but a bit of a
jerk, it seems) ... I think there's a German keeper called Hans-Joerg
Butt who's scored a lot of penalties for Hamburg and Leverkusen ... and
Mexico's Campos actually played as a striker for one season and
finished near the top of the scoring charts ...
unfortunately despite some skill (Higuita, Cordoba and Calero (once
scored a goal dribbling from his own half apparently) my favourite
Colombians will always be known for Rene Higuita's awful foul-up
against Cameroon in the second round of the 1990 World Cup
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Posted By: daz2112
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 11:45
Come On The Three Lions!!!!!!
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Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: February 11 2006 at 12:02
Probably Rogerio Ceni will score more that 70 goals if he continues playing in Brasil and does not accept an offer from europe
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