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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 05:24 |
Bob Greece wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ why are you so sure? |
Do you really think there is a chance?
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Of course ... as Prog Related. His early albums are REALLY GOOD - and the debut album in particular is quite complex.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 05:18 |
Bob Greece wrote:
Yngwie Malmsteen is already in the Archives. He plays guitar on Derek Sherinian's Black Utopia album. |
Oh no! He has invaded us already The worst thing is that he keeps getting fatter but refuses to change his trousers...he better remove those leather outfit of his before an accident happens 
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Bob Greece
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 05:12 |
Yngwie Malmsteen is already in the Archives. He plays guitar on Derek Sherinian's Black Utopia album.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 05:10 |
Logos wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ why are you so sure? |
Well I believe that the intelligent people of Prog Archives wouldn't make such an idiotic, insensible, totally unjustified addition. |
Hah they have done worse before
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 05:04 |
^ wouldn't you agree that on his first 3 albums he did a damn good job at combining classical music and metal?
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Logos
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 05:01 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ why are you so sure? |
Well I believe that the intelligent people of Prog Archives wouldn't make such an idiotic, insensible, totally unjustified addition.
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Bob Greece
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 04:59 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ why are you so sure? |
Do you really think there is a chance?
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 04:52 |
^ why are you so sure?
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Logos
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 04:44 |
Malmsteen will never ever be in Prog Archives
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 04:24 |
About Yngwie Malmsteen: His first three albums are excellent (Rising Force, Trilogy, Marching Out), and his live album Trial by Fire.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 04:15 |
shark wrote:
Does it really matter if he's prog or not? The real issue is whether his music is good or not. As a guitarist he's exciting to listen to, but I'd agree that the songwriting isn't exeptional, but then again I'd say the same thing about Vai and Satriani 
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Vai is an exceptional songwriter and composer.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 04:02 |
Bob Greece wrote:
Well playing electric guitar with an orchestra is pretty progressive and it certainly was at the time when he did it. If Steve Vai is in the archives then why not Malmsteen? I can't see a great difference. |
There's a world, if not several galaxies of difference between Vai and Malmsteen, IMO.
Malmsteen has one single style of playing - he may have popularised sweep picking (although Holdsworth was doing that with UK nearly a decade earlier), but Vai has so many different styles that he personalises with little hallmarks, that you cannot really compare the two. Satriani has far more styles than Malmsteen, and I wouldn't call him prog - or even prog related.
Was it Malmsteen or Vai that sent a tape to Frank Zappa of themselves playing some of Zappa's hardest music, when aged only 15, and pretended to be older so that he could join the band - Zappa being so impressed that he subsequently credited him with "Impossible guitar parts" on albums...?
There's nothing "impossible" about Malmsteen's playing (and even less about his composition) - although the speed is very impressive. I totally admit to owning and liking his first 3 albums - I've got the 4th as well, but that's fairly lame, IMO, and switched me off YJM permanently.
The biggest difference is that Malmsteen is a lead guitarist - he leads and expects everyone else to follow, as a rule.
Vai is an all-round guitarist - he is equally happy to sit in the background as the foreground - and even when he's in the background, you're aware of his presence without having him "in your face".
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iguana
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 03:38 |
No.
this man alone is responsible for bombing us back
to the musical stone age.
it doesn't make you a better actor if you can recite
your lines four times as fast as everyone else. and
that is a quote by none other than ritchie blackmore.
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Bob Greece
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 03:31 |
Well playing electric guitar with an orchestra is pretty progressive and it certainly was at the time when he did it. If Steve Vai is in the archives then why not Malmsteen? I can't see a great difference.
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arqwave
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Posted: March 30 2004 at 15:21 |
i would say that his influences relies in prog music and classical music, he is the very first bond into heavy metal/speed metal stuff, i spoke about that in another topic, i do think that his speed at playing, and his ability to mix neoclassical stuff is great, but the problem is that he started to write the same album over and over again since "eclipse", where the main title piece is a good example of an instrumental prog oriented song, but he is not prog... the lacks of originallity and capabilities to write and compose has kept him into second class guitar player.
To me Steve Vai has more idea of prog than the other two members of that G3 video, he actually played with Frank Zappa, and he actually has evolved into a better guitarist, he is the only one of a very big numer of players that actaully has left the idea of burning the guitar with speedness to turning the sound into ambient and crazy sounds
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: March 30 2004 at 10:55 |
Malmsteen = Not prog.
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Tarkus
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Posted: March 30 2004 at 07:36 |
I own "Attack!!" from Malmsteen.
I like the music sometimes, but I don't think that it is prog. But very high technical skills are an aspect of Prog an Malmsteen has very high technical skills. And he also includes non-rock (classical) Elements in his music and that is also a main aspect of prog (not only including classical Elements but including some at all!!).
In Conclusion I wouldn't say that his music isn't Prog but it ist more Prog than any "normal" rock/metal music.
In my Opinion the question if something is prog or not is always relative. Something may be Prog if you compare it with music which is definitely no prog but it doesn't seems like prog if you compare it with "real" prog.
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Stormcrow
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Posted: March 30 2004 at 00:28 |
I was playing scales on the piano at the age of 7.
Perhaps not as fast as Malmsteen, but I moved on.
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Glass-Prison
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Posted: March 29 2004 at 21:32 |
.. Lyrics you mean? it's true most of his songs are instrumental, and the ones that do have lyrics are usually completely inane ("I am a Viking" is a prime example)
Obviously he is lacking in that department. However, if someone like Ian Anderson or Neil Peart wrote lyrics for him...
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: March 29 2004 at 15:57 |
I tend to agree he`s an amazing technician but he can`t write.
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