Author |
Topic Search Topic Options
|
MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: April 22 2005
Location: Sweden
Status: Offline
Points: 21319
|
Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:07 |
sleeper wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
sleeper wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
To be honest: When I first saw that Ayreon are catgorized as Metal here, I also thought that it was odd. But the heavy riff-oriented passages are one of the Ayreon trademarks, and some albums (Actual Fantasy, Universal Migrator) are clearly Metal.
|
Universal Migrater Pt1 isnt even remotly metal, but part 2 has greats like Russel Allen and Micheal Romeo on.
|
I always refer to Pt.1 as "The Dream Sequencer" and to Pt.2 as "The Universal Migrator". Of course only Pt.2 is Metal.
|
Oh, I usuelly refer to Pt2 as Flight of the Migrater.
|
BTW: I refer to both of these albums as "the two Ayreon albums that could have much simpler and shorter names".
|
|
|
Drew
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 20 2005
Location: California
Status: Offline
Points: 12600
|
Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:11 |
^
|
|
MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: April 22 2005
Location: Sweden
Status: Offline
Points: 21319
|
Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:18 |
sleeper wrote:
Haha, well we know Jody likes Tool
|
Well, I also consider Lateralus to be one of THE key prog metal albums.
|
|
|
sleeper
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 09 2005
Location: Entropia
Status: Offline
Points: 16449
|
Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:29 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
sleeper wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
sleeper wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
To be honest: When I first saw that Ayreon are catgorized as Metal here, I also thought that it was odd. But the heavy riff-oriented passages are one of the Ayreon trademarks, and some albums (Actual Fantasy, Universal Migrator) are clearly Metal.
|
Universal Migrater Pt1 isnt even remotly metal, but part 2 has greats like Russel Allen and Micheal Romeo on.
|
I always refer to Pt.1 as "The Dream Sequencer" and to Pt.2 as "The Universal Migrator". Of course only Pt.2 is Metal.
|
Oh, I usuelly refer to Pt2 as Flight of the Migrater.
|
BTW: I refer to both of these albums as "the two Ayreon albums that could have much simpler and shorter names".
|
That is most definatly true, it should also have been sold as a double CD set instead of 2 seperate CD's. Thankfully I got the SE version witch is a double CD set.
BTW I havnt got Lateralus, I refuse to pay £17 for a CD.
|
Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
|
|
TheProgtologist
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin
Joined: May 23 2005
Location: Baltimore,Md US
Status: Offline
Points: 27802
|
Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:35 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Haha, well we know Jody likes Tool
|
Well, I also consider Lateralus to be one of THE key prog metal albums.
|
I agree.
I never look at the top 100,was surprised to see it at #4.And Aenima is at #13...very cool.
I have 79 of the albums in the top 100
|
|
|
FishyMonkey
Prog Reviewer
Joined: May 13 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 127
|
Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:36 |
Don't get me wrong, I really do like Lateralus. Prog. Yea, just barely. A lot of it was good heavy metal with a dark edge that grooves real well. They do incorporate enough different things into their playing to qualify as prog, IMO. Anyone who says otherwise probabaly has had an album of their's in full.
|
|
|
MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: April 22 2005
Location: Sweden
Status: Offline
Points: 21319
|
Posted: November 24 2005 at 02:09 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
I have 79 of the albums in the top 100
|
seems like I have to do some catching-up ... OR we'll need to promote the smaller bands some more:
- Heaven's Cry
- Adagio
- The Gathering
- Ivanhoe
- Power of Omens
- ...
Edited by MikeEnRegalia
|
|
|
MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: April 22 2005
Location: Sweden
Status: Offline
Points: 21319
|
Posted: November 24 2005 at 02:20 |
FishyMonkey wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I really do like Lateralus. Prog. Yea, just barely. A lot of it was good heavy metal with a dark edge that grooves real well. They do incorporate enough different things into their playing to qualify as prog, IMO. Anyone who says otherwise probabaly has had an album of their's in full. |
If "incorporating different things into their playing" was an "qualifying" attribute of prog, SoaD would be 110% prog. I think it's more difficult ... IMO Tool are Prog mainly because of innovation and artistic value/integrity.
|
|
|
Lindsay Lohan
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 25 2005
Location: Norway
Status: Offline
Points: 3254
|
Posted: November 24 2005 at 03:05 |
It easier for the more unknown artist to get high on the list as the unknown bands are only for them that is already into prog metal from before and usually gets pretty much overrated by them.
While known bands like Dream Theater gets bashed from non prog-metal fans that does not even like the genre and give them a weak rating.
|
|
sleeper
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 09 2005
Location: Entropia
Status: Offline
Points: 16449
|
Posted: November 24 2005 at 04:37 |
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
It easier for the more unknown artist to get high on the list as the unknown bands are only for them that is already into prog metal from before and usually gets pretty much overrated by them.
While known bands like Dream Theater gets bashed from non prog-metal fans that does not even like the genre and give them a weak rating.
|
You know, ive never thought about it like that but your right, someone who dosent like metal will go and rate DT down with low markings (and there are enough people doing that) will the lesser known bands are left to fans to rate.
|
Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
|
|
MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: April 22 2005
Location: Sweden
Status: Offline
Points: 21319
|
Posted: November 24 2005 at 06:17 |
^ but if you look at the ratings without reviews for the top DT albums, you'll see that there's bashing AND counter-bashing.
|
|
|
JayDee
Forum Senior Member
VIP Member
Joined: September 07 2005
Location: Elysian Fields
Status: Offline
Points: 10063
|
Posted: November 24 2005 at 06:55 |
1. Symphony X
2. Andromeda
3. Kamelot
4. Ayreon
5. Angra
6. Fates Warning
7. Adagio
8. Spiral Architect
9.Savatage
10. Tool
|
|
|
Norbert
Forum Senior Member
Joined: October 20 2005
Location: Hungary
Status: Offline
Points: 2506
|
Posted: November 24 2005 at 06:58 |
No Fates Warning in the top 20 , this is sad.
No Psychotic Waltz in the top 30, this is also sad.
But there is no Nightwish in the top 100!
Edited by Norbert
|
|
JayDee
Forum Senior Member
VIP Member
Joined: September 07 2005
Location: Elysian Fields
Status: Offline
Points: 10063
|
Posted: November 24 2005 at 07:10 |
Norbert wrote:
No Fates Warning in the top 20 , this is sad.
No Psychotic Waltz in the top 30, this is also sad.
But there is no Nightwish in the top 100!
|
hey i added fates warning already hehe
|
|
|
Norbert
Forum Senior Member
Joined: October 20 2005
Location: Hungary
Status: Offline
Points: 2506
|
Posted: November 24 2005 at 07:27 |
Majestic_Mayhem wrote:
Norbert wrote:
No Fates Warning in the top 20 , this is sad.
No Psychotic Waltz in the top 30, this is also sad.
But there is no Nightwish in the top 100!
|
hey i added fates warning already hehe
|
They are in your top 10, that's fine, but not on the PA top 100.
|
|
Lindsay Lohan
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 25 2005
Location: Norway
Status: Offline
Points: 3254
|
Posted: November 24 2005 at 07:55 |
|
|
Lindsay Lohan
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 25 2005
Location: Norway
Status: Offline
Points: 3254
|
Posted: November 24 2005 at 07:58 |
while octavarium had this
Essential: a masterpiece of progressive music (49%) |
|
Excellent addition to any prog music collection (18%) |
|
Good, but non-essential (13%) |
|
Collectors/fans only (11%) |
|
Poor. Only for completionists (10%) |
|
33% rated that album for 3 stars or less
and 10% where 1 star reviews!
|
|
JayDee
Forum Senior Member
VIP Member
Joined: September 07 2005
Location: Elysian Fields
Status: Offline
Points: 10063
|
Posted: November 24 2005 at 08:09 |
Norbert wrote:
Majestic_Mayhem wrote:
Norbert wrote:
No Fates Warning in the top 20 , this is sad.
No Psychotic Waltz in the top 30, this is also sad.
But there is no Nightwish in the top 100!
|
hey i added fates warning already hehe
| They are in your top 10, that's fine, but not on the PA top 100. |
, i didnt noticed that......might as well cry too!!!!
|
|
|
MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: April 22 2005
Location: Sweden
Status: Offline
Points: 21319
|
Posted: November 24 2005 at 08:16 |
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
while octavarium had this
Essential: a masterpiece of progressive music (49%) |
|
Excellent addition to any prog music collection (18%) |
|
Good, but non-essential (13%) |
|
Collectors/fans only (11%) |
|
Poor. Only for completionists (10%) |
|
33% rated that album for 3 stars or less
and 10% where 1 star reviews!
|
Octavarium is a bad example for your theory, because many prog metal fans also rate it 3 stars or less - including myself.
Essential: a masterpiece of progressive music (71%) |
|
Excellent addition to any prog music collection (12%) |
|
Good, but non-essential (3%) |
|
Collectors/fans only (5%) |
|
Poor. Only for completionists (9%) |
|
^ Scenes from a Memory is a good example - not much difference to Riverside as far as I can see.
Edited by MikeEnRegalia
|
|
|
Lindsay Lohan
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 25 2005
Location: Norway
Status: Offline
Points: 3254
|
Posted: November 24 2005 at 08:20 |
Well i think it was a horrendrous battle over that Album as it has the most reviews of any album and 10% is rather high on the 1 star bar......Besides compared to what PROFESSIONAL music reviewers says this is rather low and seems a bit unprofessional
I'd like to think that most of these is hate driven while Riverside is a more unknown band and generally people that does not like their kind of music have not heard about it...
Please remember that Scenes got 260 reviews and 9% is 1 star ratings thats about 24 1 star reviews...while riverside got 80 reviews and 3% 1 star ratings thats a bit over 2 1 star reviews
Edited by Lindsay Lohan
|
|
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.