The Prog Metal Top 10: welcome non DT!
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Topic: The Prog Metal Top 10: welcome non DT!
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Subject: The Prog Metal Top 10: welcome non DT!
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 16:00
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Have a look: http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?style_id=19&album_type=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?style_id=19& amp; amp;album_type=1 The last time that I looked the Prog Metal top 10 were ruled by Dream Theater. It's nice to see that more and more people seem to discover the "smaller" bands. Edit: I just found out that I only have 49 albums of the current top 100 ... shame on me! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to: 
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Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 16:20
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PAIN OF SALVATION THRESHOLD SYMPHONY X AYREON EMPTY TREMOR FATES WARNING SHADOW GALLERY STAR ONE EVIL WINGS CIRCUS MAXIMUM |
Posted By: cmidkiff
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 16:25
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Why is "Ayreon" considered metal? ------------- cmidkiff |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 16:32
Nice list! I don't even know Evil Wings ... I added them to my Prog Metal chart. If any of you want to listen to them: http://cdbaby.com/cd/evilwings2 - http://cdbaby.com/cd/evilwings2 ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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ANDREW wrote:Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 16:33
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They are quite heavy. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: BleedingGum
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 16:43
heavy means.. metal?  ------------- ...this is called....BleedingGum ... ! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 16:47
To be honest: When I first saw that Ayreon are catgorized as Metal here, I also thought that it was odd. But the heavy riff-oriented passages are one of the Ayreon trademarks, and some albums (Actual Fantasy, Universal Migrator) are clearly Metal. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 16:52
| Riverside at number 2- what a JOKE |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 16:54
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I like the album very much, but I agree that it seems a little bit overrated. But maybe it will grow on me ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 16:57
Universal Migrater Pt1 isnt even remotly metal, but part 2 has greats like Russel Allen and Micheal Romeo on. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: FishyMonkey
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 16:58
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Ahh, that's very refreshing to see. I haven't heard Riverside's albums yet, and that placement of Lateralus is a tad high, but overall, pretty good! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/FishyMonkey/?chartstyle=artists"> 
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 16:58
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I only have 17 albums from top 100 Nice that Savatage is there. They are so underrated ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 16:59
I know- I like it as well, but the number 2 spot???? It just came out to- amazing |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 16:59
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Im not supprised that its Metropolis Pt2 and I&W from DT in their but I am supprised that theres no Awake or 6 Degrees ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:00
I always refer to Pt.1 as "The Dream Sequencer" and to Pt.2 as "The Universal Migrator". Of course only Pt.2 is Metal. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:01
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I agree- with so many proggers not even considereing Tool prog. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:03
Oh, I usuelly refer to Pt2 as Flight of the Migrater. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:04
| I have 31 in the top 100- most of which are in the top 50 |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:04
Au contraire, mon capitan: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9039 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9039
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:07
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Haha, well we know Jody likes Tool ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:07
BTW: I refer to both of these albums as "the two Ayreon albums that could have much simpler and shorter names". ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:11
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:18
Well, I also consider Lateralus to be one of THE key prog metal albums. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:29
That is most definatly true, it should also have been sold as a double CD set instead of 2 seperate CD's. Thankfully I got the SE version witch is a double CD set. BTW I havnt got Lateralus, I refuse to pay £17 for a CD. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:35
I agree. I never look at the top 100,was surprised to see it at #4.And Aenima is at #13...very cool. I have 79 of the albums in the top 100 -------------  |
Posted By: FishyMonkey
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:36
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Don't get me wrong, I really do like Lateralus. Prog. Yea, just barely. A lot of it was good heavy metal with a dark edge that grooves real well. They do incorporate enough different things into their playing to qualify as prog, IMO. Anyone who says otherwise probabaly has had an album of their's in full. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/FishyMonkey/?chartstyle=artists">
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 02:09
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 02:20
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If "incorporating different things into their playing" was an "qualifying" attribute of prog, SoaD would be 110% prog. I think it's more difficult ... IMO Tool are Prog mainly because of innovation and artistic value/integrity. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 03:05
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It easier for the more unknown artist to get high on the list as the unknown bands are only for them that is already into prog metal from before and usually gets pretty much overrated by them. While known bands like Dream Theater gets bashed from non prog-metal fans that does not even like the genre and give them a weak rating. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 04:37
You know, ive never thought about it like that but your right, someone who dosent like metal will go and rate DT down with low markings (and there are enough people doing that) will the lesser known bands are left to fans to rate. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 06:17
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^ but if you look at the ratings without reviews for the top DT albums, you'll see that there's bashing AND counter-bashing. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 06:55
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1. Symphony X 2. Andromeda 3. Kamelot 4. Ayreon 5. Angra 6. Fates Warning 7. Adagio 8. Spiral Architect 9.Savatage 10. Tool
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 06:58
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No Fates Warning in the top 20 , this is sad. No Psychotic Waltz in the top 30, this is also sad. But there is no Nightwish in the top 100!
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Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 07:10
hey i added fates warning already hehe
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 07:27
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 07:55
20% of the reviews for DT are 3 or less and on riverside it is less then 10% |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 07:58
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while octavarium had this
33% rated that album for 3 stars or less and 10% where 1 star reviews! |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 08:09
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 08:16
Octavarium is a bad example for your theory, because many prog metal fans also rate it 3 stars or less - including myself.
^ Scenes from a Memory is a good example - not much difference to Riverside as far as I can see. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 08:20
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Well i think it was a horrendrous battle over that Album as it has the most reviews of any album and 10% is rather high on the 1 star bar... I'd like to think that most of these is hate driven while Riverside is a more unknown band and generally people that does not like their kind of music have not heard about it... Please remember that Scenes got 260 reviews and 9% is 1 star ratings thats about 24 1 star reviews...while riverside got 80 reviews and 3% 1 star ratings thats a bit over 2 1 star reviews |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 08:39
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^ could you please edit the first post where you quoted statistics? You forgot to mention which album it was. BTW: The new Riverside album has just been released ... check the statistics in 5 months - I bet there will be 2 or 3 times more 1 star reviews. Octavarium also started with an average rating around 4.40 ... I'm sure that the Riverside album will drop as much as Octavarium, but it WILL drop. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 08:43
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I compared Second Life Syndrome with Scenes from a memory. It might be farily new so only the most die-hard fans would get it...but of all obscure artists with more than 30 reviews the ratings are always unlikely high |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 08:49
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I remember when Psychotic Waltz - A Social Grace had 16 5 star reviews ONLY ... sweet! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 08:52
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Ah yes i wonder what album has the most 1 star reviews |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 08:57
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Must be Train of Thought. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 09:03
Amazing 20% of 300 reviews are 1 star ratings!!! Thats 60 1 star ratings!!! Ha humm i think you are right
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 09:15
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^ 4 stars for me also ... and Octavarium 3 stars (well, 3.5 actually). ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: Space Dimentia
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 09:50
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Dream Theater rule the roost becuase they are the definition of Prog-metal but its nice to see the likes of Tool, Shadow Gallery, Kamelot, Vovoid, Symphony X, Queensryche and the mighty Threshold not far behind ------------- Prog is music for the mind Hear your Orphaned child! Check out my bands myspace site: www.myspace.com/equinox17 |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 13:33
My beloved SG so faaar behind... Good 2 See Riverside here, though  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 13:41
I agree with what your saying Mike, its hard to compare an album thats been out 6 years with one thats been out a month. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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