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Sean Trane wrote: Andrea Cortese wrote: BTW we have to count votes, after elections, not before! Why I cannot disagree with other italian people? Do they are more italians than me? ...ah! I know...I'm naive.....!! BTW that's the proof I do not (and I will not) follow the crowd! But those 20 persons are maybe not that representative of Itally since 2/3 of them are Scientist (and obviously higher educated - all are post-doc Uni) and the others are technicians (and two of them union rep), asistants , infrastructure workers and administrative(the famous Evelina). As I tried to say, they have been here for a relatively long time, so they are less likely to follow-up on internal politics, but are likely to be far more severe on the external politics of their country, which is making them cringe a lot. I never meant to say they were more representative of Italians than you. But if I may say , the majotity of italian immigrants in Belgium (most of them living in Charleroi and Liège) are also rather against Berlusconi , but their profile is radically different , since they were driven by misery after WWII and have flooded to coal mines and steel mills. Anyway, go on closing your eyes !!!

I am a lawyer! I'm obviously higher educated and post-doc UNI (in Padua) too!!

Never thought this means my politics' opinions are better (or has more dignity) than other non-so-high-educated people!

Are you a fan of the Plato's Politeia? I am not!

BTW let us decide the voters democratically if italians want a different government!

P.S. also my grandfather Alfonso went in your country (during the fifties) to work in a coal mine! He died here, after returning to italy, for a pulmonar (obviously) disease. I was only a little boy, but I vividly remember the last time I saw him!!

Andrea Cortese wrote:  I am free here and also in my country, even if sometimes I'm under attack for my opinions!! It's not a problem, BTW, Italy was always a country with tremendous ideological fights! and it is also now!>> this is due to the presence of the Vatican and their meddling into politics!!

EEeeHHMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!......................

Apparently not only are you under fire for your opinion in your country but also on the web!

Sorry about that!! You are of course totally entitled to your opinion (however naive they are) and I beg you to forgive me if I made you feel like it was not a valid one!

But you must understand that Berlusconi brings horror and disgust to most people outside Italy (Italians included) a bit like W Bush is also! This was especially true in Genoa with the shooting of a protester. I even saw some Italians ripping the flag! Berlusconi is seen as a collab to the fascist Ligua!

Well Chirac does bring horror and disgust too, but everyone laughs at his lack of credibility , because the french are aware of this!!

As for your grandfather, too many Italians found death in our mines (tragedies and accidents that are still remembered 50 years later) but most found at least a decent life they could not have in Sicily (fleeing mafia and church protected and slightly mafiosis themselves lords), Sardinia, Calabra and Appuglia. But their homesickness isa sometimes painful to see.

Andrea Cortese wrote: The Miracle wrote: I don't know most of them well, but from the ones I do, Vladimir Putin. I'm Russian and he really making changes for the good. Slowly, but he's dragging the country out of chaos. I do agree with you, Miracle. I've always liked Russian History and Culture since I discovered (when I was just a school-boy) that "Czar" derives from the latin "Caesar"! How about to spend holidays in Soci (Black Sea, or not?)? Is it a great and wonderful place?

I haven't been to Soci, but I grew up around that area, but by the Caspian sea.  Great places, with great warm climate.

http://www.sochi-info.com/photo/ <A big photo gallery. It's in Russian, just click on a thumbnail to get to the full index of the photosession.

Which band do each of these guys lead? 

It'd be so much easier to choose one if I knew which band they were with.

Blair

Bush

Chirac  * 100 =lots of  

I'm going way out on a limb here and saying Sharon. Has the old warmonger done a good thing by leaving his party and going on his own to try and broker peace with arabs? Would be nice to think he has...