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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: November 13 2005 at 10:51 |
I prefer the Fish
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Marc Baum
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Posted: November 13 2005 at 10:59 |
Fish is or was more important for Marillion, specially because of his charisma, even though Steve Hogarth is an excellent singer. In "Brave" he grows over himself.
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Under
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Posted: November 13 2005 at 11:12 |
As a band member Fish made the chemistry really work within Marillion.
Judging only his quality of vocals perhaps Hogarth is the better singer, but he does not have made a better band. Too bad, but I very mich like his voice.
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Gentle Tull
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Posted: November 13 2005 at 12:09 |
Fish hands down.
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Trotsky
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Posted: November 13 2005 at 14:01 |
Fish-era Marillion is one of the few instances in prog, where I feel
the singer is the real star of the show ... his lyrics, emotion and
presence ... made the band ...
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buckethead
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Posted: November 13 2005 at 14:19 |
i like them both, but marillion was probably more interesting musically with fish, so my vote goes to him.
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dr_shoganai
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Posted: November 13 2005 at 14:28 |
Fish!
A hard decision though...
Hogarth is technicaly better singer but Fish had such charisma in his voice and stage presence!
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Nipsey88
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Posted: November 13 2005 at 14:38 |
No question...Fish.
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Man With Hat
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Posted: November 13 2005 at 14:51 |
Fish.
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Ricochet
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Posted: November 13 2005 at 15:00 |
DONE!erased my cache and voted for both...
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Garbs
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Posted: November 13 2005 at 16:23 |
Fish !
Agree that Hogarth is technically a better musician but Marillion made it because of the charisma of Fish - similar to what Gabriel did to Genesis.
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paulindigo
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Posted: November 13 2005 at 16:41 |
Fish!
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Manunkind
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 18:12 |
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 03:12 |
Fish for me
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iguana
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 03:38 |
muffley_mirkin wrote:
Fish without a doubt.
Hogarth sometimes comes across as if the other
guys
are his backing band and that we should feel
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you have got to be bloody joking!!!! or you are plain
simply mixing the two up...
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Libor10
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 04:38 |
Hard to say. By me it's 50:50. I like Fish and that era was for
Marillion (probably) more important (the question could be, if it's
only in vocalist change, usually bands are more progressive and
productive in theirs first few records), but I always felt Fish try to
copy in some way Peter Gabriel. And I haven't any problem with Hogarth
too, he's good singer, but sometimes his voice is rather 'weepy' (if
his is the right word for what I mean). So I don't give my voice to any
of them.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 05:06 |
Technically, Hogarth has the best voice, and he uses it very well within Marillion's music. He did some great things for Marillion.
Still, I prefer Fish because he's a much more colourful person, singer and lyricist. My 3 favourite Marillion albums are all from the Fish era, and that's no coincidence. It's the Fish-factor !
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Manunkind
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 05:47 |
Not to degrade Fish in any way, but is it true that he's never actually written a song (and can't write music at all) and is only respeonsible for the lyrics?
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Under
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 07:03 |
^ Cannot be. Judge the difference between Old Marillion and New Marillion. Even if he did not actively contribute to writing he surely contributed to the songs just by being in the same room.
The sense of irritation is sometimes a good fundament for inspiration.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 07:48 |
I get the impression that there was at least some musical collaboration between Fish and Steve Rothery, but that Fish' main contribution was in the lyrics and in the theatrical stuff. When you listen to his solo albums, I think musically they are quite less than the Marillion albums.
My guess that he did contribute something to the music, but not a lot.
But that's only guesswork .
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