Fish verses Hogarth ...Poll
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Topic: Fish verses Hogarth ...Poll
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Fish verses Hogarth ...Poll
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 18:20
Who was (is) the best voice for Marillion ... Fish or Steve Hogarth ? I vote Fish 
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 18:32
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Fish...nuff said -------------  |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 18:34
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fish of course ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 19:48
| Both. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 19:56
but you can`t vote for both 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 20:07
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Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: chessman
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 20:23
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I have seen Hogarth live, and he is very powerful. But on record his voice sounds too thick somethimes. Hard to describe exactly what I mean, but he doesn't have the presence, or menace that Fish has/had. Fish gets my vote. Plus, Fish is a far better lyricist too, almost poetical at times. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 20:53
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chessman wrote:Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 21:02
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But I like Hogarth's sheer amazingness better! So I'm going to be the only one to vote for MY FAVORITE MARILLION VOCALIST!
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Posted By: BleedingGum
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 21:05
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Definitely Fish for me.
------------- ...this is called....BleedingGum ... ! |
Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 07:36
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STEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------- Interested in my reviews? You can find them http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=784 - HERE "...He will search until He's found a Way to take the Days..." |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 07:40
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I will vote for both...(even if I cannot) both do wonders ------------- 
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 07:41
of course you can... vote fish,then clear up cache,and vote steve...simple! -------------
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 08:01
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FISH. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 08:37
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 08:40
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There is somthing in the way that Fish sings and rights thats almost theatrical, and makes him better IMO. Hogarth is still a very good singer though ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 09:16
Hoggy
------------- http://www.lastfm.pl/user/tomash33 - Last.fm |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 09:16
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Posted By: muffley_mirkin
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 09:37
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Fish without a doubt. Hogarth sometimes comes across as if the other guys
are his backing band and that we should feel privilaged to be in his presence. Saw Fish last night and he is still the best live performer around. He really puts himself into the songs. Hey my 100th post and its about Fish/Marillion which is where this Prog thing started for me over 20yrs ago. Spooky. |
Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 10:19
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What a poll... Fish, there's no doubt. ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 10:51
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I prefer the Fish ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: Marc Baum
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 10:59
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Fish is or was more important for Marillion, specially because of his charisma, even though Steve Hogarth is an excellent singer. In "Brave" he grows over himself. ------------- "All you need to do is sit back, and acquire the taste." - GENTLE GIANT |
Posted By: Under
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 11:12
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As a band member Fish made the chemistry really work within Marillion. Judging only his quality of vocals perhaps Hogarth is the better singer, but he does not have made a better band. Too bad, but I very mich like his voice.
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Posted By: Gentle Tull
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 12:09
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Fish hands down. ------------- 
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 14:01
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Fish-era Marillion is one of the few instances in prog, where I feel
the singer is the real star of the show ... his lyrics, emotion and
presence ... made the band ... ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: buckethead
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 14:19
| i like them both, but marillion was probably more interesting musically with fish, so my vote goes to him. |
Posted By: dr_shoganai
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 14:28
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Fish! A hard decision though... Hogarth is technicaly better singer but Fish had such charisma in his voice and stage presence! ------------- Air, fire, earth and water Balance of change World on the scales On the scales. |
Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 14:38
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No question...Fish.
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Nipsey88/?chartstyle=myspace02" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 14:51
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Fish. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 15:00
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DONE!erased my cache and voted for both...
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Posted By: Garbs
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 16:23
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Fish ! Agree that Hogarth is technically a better musician but Marillion made it because of the charisma of Fish - similar to what Gabriel did to Genesis.
------------- So here I am once more |
Posted By: paulindigo
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 16:41
| Fish! |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: November 14 2005 at 18:12
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My man Wolf Spider knows what the fcuk is up ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 03:12
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Fish for me
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Posted By: iguana
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 03:38
you have got to be bloody joking!!!! or you are plain simply mixing the two up... |
Posted By: Libor10
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 04:38
| Hard to say. By me it's 50:50. I like Fish and that era was for Marillion (probably) more important (the question could be, if it's only in vocalist change, usually bands are more progressive and productive in theirs first few records), but I always felt Fish try to copy in some way Peter Gabriel. And I haven't any problem with Hogarth too, he's good singer, but sometimes his voice is rather 'weepy' (if his is the right word for what I mean). So I don't give my voice to any of them. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 05:06
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Technically, Hogarth has the best voice, and he uses it very well within Marillion's music. He did some great things for Marillion. Still, I prefer Fish because he's a much more colourful person, singer and lyricist. My 3 favourite Marillion albums are all from the Fish era, and that's no coincidence. It's the Fish-factor |
!Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 05:47
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Not to degrade Fish in any way, but is it true that he's never actually written a song (and can't write music at all) and is only respeonsible for the lyrics? ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Under
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 07:03
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^ Cannot be. Judge the difference between Old Marillion and New Marillion. Even if he did not actively contribute to writing he surely contributed to the songs just by being in the same room.
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 07:48
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I get the impression that there was at least some musical collaboration between Fish and Steve Rothery, but that Fish' main contribution was in the lyrics and in the theatrical stuff. When you listen to his solo albums, I think musically they are quite less than the Marillion albums. My guess that he did contribute something to the music, but not a lot. But that's only guesswork |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 08:09
Sure, but you can say the same about Hogarth. And he actively writes music and plays at least one instrument as far as I remember ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
.Posted By: RaphaelT
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:32
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Fish - more emotions, more acting in his voice, better showman, far better lyricist. And frankly, do Marillion need Steve playing instruments, when they have geniuses in persons of Steve and Mark? Look at Yes and how funny Jon seems when trying to play all the instruments. ------------- yet you still have time! |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 16:57
------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: The Prognaut
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 17:05
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Undoubtedly, FiSH
------------- break the circle reset my head wake the sleepwalker and i'll wake the dead |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 09:13
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Fish it is
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Posted By: ShrinkingViolet
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 17:16
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FISH WITHOUT A DOUBT
------------- I'm a Work Of Art..Too Perfect For Someone Like you.. |
Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 17:39
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The Fish era had so much substance, The band was much rawer in their approach which to me, made them special....
BUT the Hogarth era, each band member became better musicians with each release... And Hogarth is a very talented musician in his own right, lyrically nowhere near Fish, but I like Hogarth's near angelic vocals better...
Charles ------------- G'day |
Posted By: herbie53
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 17:41
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Fish is only a great copyst of PETER GABRIEL !!!! STEVE HOGARTH is unique, don't copy anybody... the guy is ORIGINAL !!! And his voice is very much EMOTIONAL ! The voice of Fish is the same in mellow parts or in harder parts of songs... And the MARILLION of Fish days was only another neo prog band, in the middle of IQ, PALLAS, PENDRAGON, JADIS, etc... But now, MARILLION is a great prog/aternative/pop band, and who sounds like them ???
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Posted By: NELMOMEDELPROG
Date Posted: November 28 2005 at 13:13
| Fish (without discussion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) |
Posted By: Deliriumist
Date Posted: November 28 2005 at 13:23
| Fish (so what if his voice sounds a bit like Gabriel's. I just like his singing style - different from Gabriel's) |
Posted By: EL OSO
Date Posted: November 28 2005 at 13:49
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Posted By: Genesisprog
Date Posted: November 28 2005 at 13:53
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------------- Frank Zappa,Pink Floyd,Yes,Genesis,Rush,King Crimson,Jethro Tull,E.L.P,Rick Wakeman -They have one similarity- I Love Them all ! |
Posted By: Zarg 2112
Date Posted: November 28 2005 at 14:12
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Fish era is amazing, but hogarth have a better technique of voice and better shades in the live performance than Fish and the question is about voice and not about marillion´s era. ------------- Oh My Lady Fantasy, I... Love You. |
Posted By: liquidtheater
Date Posted: November 28 2005 at 19:07
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Hogarth for me ------------- Dream Sequencer System Offline |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: November 28 2005 at 19:12
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Fish. I have Script, CAS, Brave, and AoS. The first two are much stronger than the Hogarth albums. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Destrio
Date Posted: November 28 2005 at 19:30
| fish, no contest |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 29 2005 at 09:30
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Fish without question
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Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: November 29 2005 at 11:51
He wrote the vocal melodies. I like both of them very much, but my vote goes to Fish. |
Posted By: Uther Pendragon
Date Posted: November 29 2005 at 19:38
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I think Hogarth is better no doubt about it. People have said that he
lacks the stage presence, but Hogarth is the introvert whereas Fish was
the extrovert. It's just not Hogarth's way. His voice is just so
powerful and emotional and really hits you when you're there at the
concert. Don't get me wrong I'm not fishist, just I think Hogarth has
the power. Somone commented that it is as though Hogarth is the singer
and not one of the band, if anything this was true in the Fish-era and
I don't believe this at all, if anything Hogarth takes a more back seat
role, allowing Mark Kelly to do the talking.
------------- "And so as I patrol in the valley of the shadow of the tricolour I must fear evil for I am but mortal and mortals can only die." |