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ProgsCerebrum
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Topic: Progressive Pop? Posted: November 07 2005 at 17:27 |
is there such a thing? hypothetically, if there were, who do you think
would fit under the category? i'd say Tears for Fears...their new album
at least as progressive as Asias new album...any other artists?
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memowakeman
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Posted: November 07 2005 at 17:30 |
I DONT KNOW.. IF YOU SAY POP.. LIKE POPULAR... PINK FLOYD WOULD BE POP...
BUT THE WORD POP LIKE A PROG LITE... ASIA , STYX, SUPERTRAMP, BOSTON WOULD BE POP
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horza
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Posted: November 07 2005 at 17:33 |
The Buggles
Thats a joke by the way
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 07 2005 at 18:07 |
I'd prefer to call it Avant-Pop/Avant-Rock. Could contain the above mentioned artists, as well as King's X or Muse.
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Biggles
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Posted: November 07 2005 at 18:23 |
I consider Caravan to be pop. Well, I've only got "In the Land of Grey and Pink," but there's an undeniable influence from 60s pop. It certainly doesn't have the harmonically dense and hard to access stylings of "Close to the Edge" or "Larks' Tongues in Aspic."
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EL OSO
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Posted: November 07 2005 at 18:43 |
Sometiemes I think Le Orme is kinda Prog-Pop. Listen to the Storia o Leggenda album. |
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: November 07 2005 at 18:54 |
Biggles wrote:
I consider Caravan to be pop. Well, I've only got "In the Land of Grey and Pink," but there's an undeniable influence from 60s pop. It certainly doesn't have the harmonically dense and hard to access stylings of "Close to the Edge" or "Larks' Tongues in Aspic." |
Nine Feet Underground is pop??
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S.H.Kingston
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Posted: November 07 2005 at 19:06 |
James Plotkin's Flux 'Protoplasmic' is one of my favorite records of all time; it is touted as being Prog-Pop; I guess I can see that, highly melodic, softer edge, maybe more "song" oriented; but still HEAVILY space/psych influenced with song lenths that would make MTV cringe. Along those lines is of course his prior outfit Old's 'Formula' much of the same; maybe not quite as well developed, but still outstanding. The guitar work is worth price of admission alone...If you can get past the drum machines!
For pure psych madness though; Old's "Musical Dimensions Of Sleastak" is a phenomenal mind bender; with a more harsh/metal bent to it.
thanks!
s.h. kingston
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Biggles
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Posted: November 07 2005 at 19:10 |
NetsNJFan wrote:
Biggles wrote:
I consider Caravan to be pop. Well, I've only got "In the Land of Grey and Pink," but there's an undeniable influence from 60s pop. It certainly doesn't have the harmonically dense and hard to access stylings of "Close to the Edge" or "Larks' Tongues in Aspic." |
Nine Feet Underground is pop??
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Maybe not, but "Golf Girl," "Love to Love You," and "In the Land of Grey and Pink" certainly are, and that's almost half the album.
Not that I don't like it, there's nothing wrong with pop music if it's good. I just think there's definitely a lot of pop in there.
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Joren
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Posted: November 07 2005 at 20:04 |
Biggles wrote:
NetsNJFan wrote:
Biggles wrote:
I consider Caravan to be pop. Well, I've only got "In the Land of Grey and Pink," but there's an undeniable influence from 60s pop. It certainly doesn't have the harmonically dense and hard to access stylings of "Close to the Edge" or "Larks' Tongues in Aspic." |
Nine Feet Underground is pop??
| Maybe not, but "Golf Girl," "Love to Love You," and "In the Land of Grey and Pink" certainly are, and that's almost half the album.
Not that I don't like it, there's nothing wrong with pop music if it's good. I just think there's definitely a lot of pop in there.
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You should listen to "For Girls Who Grow Plump In The Night" > jazzrock (with a pop edge, agreed... but Caravan almost define the Canterbury sound, so... )
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Winterfamily
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Posted: November 07 2005 at 20:06 |
NetsNJFan wrote:
Biggles wrote:
I consider Caravan to be pop.
Well, I've only got "In the Land of Grey and Pink," but there's an
undeniable influence from 60s pop. It certainly doesn't have the
harmonically dense and hard to access stylings of "Close to the Edge"
or "Larks' Tongues in Aspic." |
Nine Feet Underground is pop?? |
I don't think so, but "Golf Girl" or "Love to Love You" are two of the catchiest melodies i've ever heard!
Soft Machine were also a fine pop band in their first two LPs. I've
always liked their way of mixing complex instrumental sections with
straight pop tunes.
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roaryg
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Posted: November 07 2005 at 20:06 |
Todd Rundgren always sounds to me like prog pop.
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FM, Nash the Slash, Camel
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Mnemosyne
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Posted: November 07 2005 at 22:27 |
Prog pop: In a way, Avant-garde Pop, two artists: Björk and Tom Waits
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I'm a Man-Owl-Fish.
Creator-Observer-Muse.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: November 08 2005 at 05:17 |
horza wrote:
The Buggles
Thats a joke by the way |
Joke or not, it's a perfect example. Adventures In Modern Recording is a prime example of progressive pop, I'd say.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 08 2005 at 05:42 |
A.C.T
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Vompatti
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Posted: November 08 2005 at 07:02 |
Kate Bush.
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Syzygy
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Posted: November 08 2005 at 07:33 |
Talking Heads and XTC both made extremely intelligent pop music with some proggy elements.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Trotsky
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Posted: November 08 2005 at 07:43 |
roaryg wrote:
Todd Rundgren always sounds to me like prog pop. |
Agreed the Todd Rundgren I've heard does, I'd also add Supertramp,
10CC, ELO, Kayak, Klaatu, Ambrosia (even though I dislike them) ...
Then there's the Talking Heads, Oingo Boingo sort of progressive pop ... that list is pretty endless ...if you look hard enough
BTW, I also agree with Biggles, that even though Nine Feet Underground
is a major proggy song, Caravan had a surprisingly poppy knack ...
c'mon Love To Love You is nothing but a pop song ... and there are many
whimisical pop moments on their best albums ... offhand, I Wish I
Were Stoned, Golf Girl, Magic Man, Surprise, Surprise ... come to mind
... Looking back I'm very surprised they didn't have success on
the singles charts ...
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Mategra
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Posted: November 08 2005 at 07:49 |
Other examples are:
10cc and the offshot duo Godley & Creme. Adrian Belew's early solo albums Slapp Happy Sparks They Might Be Giants
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salmacis
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Posted: November 08 2005 at 15:25 |
Definitely 10cc are a definitive 'prog pop' band- the arrangements are very intelligent, plus the songs are often very sardonic and witty belying the commercial sound of their biggest hits.
I also like Sparks and Supertramp for much the same reason.
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