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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2005 at 13:45
Originally posted by W.Chuck W.Chuck wrote:

Which was the first prog album?

I read it was "In the Court of the Crimson King" by King Crimson, but was it really the first one? What's your opinion?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2005 at 14:00

Hard to pin point one, but I personally think it was quite some time prior to 'In The Court Of The Crimson King' myself. This was perhaps an early consolidation of themes found in early albums, such as;

John Coltrane- A Love Supreme (a very early concept album, with such depth, continuity and commitment it's hard for me to just plainly label it 'jazz')

Graham Bond Organisation- The Sound Of '65 ( an early attempt at jazz/ blues rock)

Joe Harriott/ John Mayer- Indo Jazz Fusions 1 and 2 (could be wrong about this, but this is certainly the first time I've seen the word 'fusion' crop up on an album- again, it's musically highly developed, and fusions of different styles was surely the whole purpose of prog, initially?)

The Yardbirds- Roger The Engineer (a pioneering album, and hugely varied, with psych pop, blues rock, gregorian chants, guitar instrumentals and even a jazz influence creeps in Jeff Beck's wild guitar work)

The Who- A Quick One, While He's Away (not a prog album as such, but features a very early attempt at a song suite in the title track)

Frank Zappa- Freak Out!/ Absolutely Free/ ...Money/Lumpy Gravy (took hugely uncommercial music and themes into mainstream rock/pop)

The Beatles- Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt Pepper (hugely revolutionary, as they feature a band experimenting with a myriad of genres and utilising new production methods)

Vanilla Fudge- s/t (hugely influential, as it saw a band taking pop songs and creating something extremely new and challenging with them)

The Zombies- Oddesey And Oracle (arguably took the 'pop' three minute song idea to its maximum, with huge intricacy, brilliant themes, plus swathes of mellotron and pseudo classical themes)

Nirvana- The Story Of Simon Simopath/ The Pretty Things- SF Sorrow (both were hugely pioneering, as they had an ongoing story throughout a whole album)

Genesis- From Genesis To Revelation (more revolutionary than you'd imagine, with intricate song arrangements and a clear concept)

Touch- s/t (features some of the longest songs on an album up to that point, with much intricacy and musical experimentation)

 

I'm not going to pick just one album from these, yet I feel all of these (from 1964-68) feature traits that would soon be apparent in prog rock.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2005 at 14:04

Originally posted by <SPAN =bold>salmacis</SPAN> salmacis wrote:

The Zombies- Oddesey And Oracle (arguably took the 'pop' three minute song idea to its maximum, with huge intricacy, brilliant themes, plus swathes of mellotron and pseudo classical themes)

I think you hit the nail on the head with this description.  I am not trying to make the case that this is the first prog ablum - only that this was an insightfull description of this classic.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2005 at 14:26

Mothers of Invention "Absolutely Free" is probably the first prog album.  It should also be considered the first concept album.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2005 at 14:28
The first prog album was Srgt Pepper by the Beatles that in turn inspired Pink Floyd, King Crimson etc who than evolved pychedelia into prog they inturn inspired the likes of Iron Maiden, Dream Theater etc, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2005 at 12:39
My first two prog-albums were Gentle Giant's Free Hand and Three Friends
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2005 at 13:07
"In the Court of the Crimson King" was the first "real" prog album, yes. And it is still too this day one of the essential prog albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:47
Originally posted by yargh yargh wrote:

Originally posted by Logos Logos wrote:

There is of course Zappa with his Freak Out! at 1966, and although whether that one is prog or not is highly questionable, Uncle Frank was surely ahead of his time. The album is mind blowing and it even has an epic!

Absolutely Free is a good candidate for first prog album.  Pretty much all the elements are there and it predates Sgt. Pepper (recorded November 1966), but goes beyond Freak Out.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to say it was Absolutely Free

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2005 at 16:19

Sgt Pepper's (1967) & Piper At The Gates (1967) had too many pop songs to be called Prog.

A Sourcerful Of Secrets (1968) however, was very much a Prog album. Although it was still let down by perhaps 2 songs that were abit poppy.

Ummagumma (1969) was very Prog. But King Crimson released their first album the same year.

So IMO, the first Prog album is debatable. Although i would say that the first mainstream Prog song was Tomorrow Never Knows.

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