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Which was the first prog album?

I read it was "In the Court of the Crimson King" by King Crimson, but was it really the first one? What's your opinion?

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Many people say it was Sgt. pepper that gave them the idea that musical boundries in rock could be successfully broken.
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Originally posted by W.Chuck W.Chuck wrote:

Which was the first prog album?

not sure, but ITCOTCK was my first
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I'm no expert, but I think ITCOTCK was the breakthrough or groundbreaking prog album. But certainly Sqt. Pepper and some stuff by The Nice came first chronologically.
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There are prog elements and one surely prog number in the Byrds "Fifth Dimension", 1966; there are more than prog elements, there is an epic suite with mellotron in Steve Miller band "Children of the Future". The Moody Blues "The Days of Future Passed" and "In Search of the Lost Chord" were released Before ITCOTCK.

However it is true that ITCOTCK is a real breakthrough in the way it is not an album with progressive elements, nor an album that sounds progressive at times. It is progressive from the beginning to the end. In this way, it could be the first willingly produced progressive album.
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Fripp was who baptized the genre, anyway.
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"Sgt. Pepper's..." is progressive, but it is not Progressive Rock ("progessive rock" is not the same thing as "Progressive Rock"). Neither was ITCOTCK the first Progressive Rock album. ThE NICE had already released three albums before ITCOTCK came out, and even if one were not to recognise "The Thoughts Of Emerlist Davjack" as Progressive Rock (I certainly think it is), surely there can be no argument about "Ars Longa Vita Brevis".

Come to that, GENESIS' "From Genesis To Revelaton" was released before ITCOTCK, and so were COLOSSEUM's "Those Who Are About To Die Salute You", VDGG's "Aerosol Grey Machine" and various other Progressive Rock albums.

ITCOTCK being the first Progressive Rock album seems to have become something of an urban myth. It's not correct.

 
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There some records before  'in the court..' that have prog elements, like sgt peppers, the nice records, early moody blues records, and some others... but the real first album that all in itself can be called 'progressive' its ;in the court of the crimson king' no doubt about it. they didnt open the door, but  theyd teach how to cross on throug...

 

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Its hard to tell really as a lot ov bands were begining to experiment with this sort of thing towards the end of the sixties, i couldnt really name names though as i dont know that much about it. 
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Piper At The Gates Of Dawn is two years older. Certainly on of the first pyre prog albums.
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There were proggy albums before ITCOTCK, but none really brought the genre to fruition like ITCOTCK did.
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Originally posted by floydaholic floydaholic wrote:

There were proggy albums before ITCOTCK, but none really brought the genre to fruition like ITCOTCK did.


agreed it really was the album that the movement that was prog rock, coalesced around.


still I think that Time Out might have been the first true 'prog' album ha hahh ha.
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Points: 266 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2005 at 22:38

 

 

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Originally posted by floydaholic floydaholic wrote:

There were proggy albums before ITCOTCK, but none really brought the genre to fruition like ITCOTCK did.

Exactly.  ITCOTCK was the template for the progressive movement.  There were albums that used the influences that would become the sources for prog before ITCOTCK, but none did so in the way that that one did, and none were nearly as influential. 
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There is of course Zappa with his Freak Out! at 1966, and although whether that one is prog or not is highly questionable, Uncle Frank was surely ahead of his time. The album is mind blowing and it even has an epic!

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It is discussed in these two threads:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2273&a mp;KW=first

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3493&a mp;KW=first&PN=0&TPN=2
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Originally posted by Logos Logos wrote:

There is of course Zappa with his Freak Out! at 1966, and although whether that one is prog or not is highly questionable, Uncle Frank was surely ahead of his time. The album is mind blowing and it even has an epic!

Absolutely Free is a good candidate for first prog album.  Pretty much all the elements are there and it predates Sgt. Pepper (recorded November 1966), but goes beyond Freak Out.

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