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krauthead
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Posted: October 21 2005 at 17:20 |
German krautrock band: Can is a very good starter also, weird lyrics (also about drugs in some places so maybe you should have a listen first).
Albums with Can worth trying with your kid:
1. Monster Movie
2. Tago Mago
3. Ege Bamyasi
And skip all their other albums, I love some of them but this ain't for me 
Can is like a progressive punk band with psychedelic overtones... hard to describe right now because I've been awake "a couple of hours" 
If he (I guess it's a boy, else pardon me) don't like "Monster Movie" skip this band or maybe let him find his own path... because if he don't like that album you could prolly have a good chance getting him into Progressive Metal (but that genre I can't help you with since I simply hate it!) 
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annt
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Posted: October 21 2005 at 17:19 |
For a punk kid, definitely Cardiacs! The energy of punk with
progressive and complex, but not too long songs. If someone hasn't
heard them, go to http://www.cardiacs.com/downloads/ immediately.
From there I'd go to Camel, Opeth and Gentle Giant just to show the
diversity of the genre. I believe Opeth could go down pretty well among
the youngest of listeners, because they are getting quite popular and
still deliver quality music... and have the metal thing, which is
always cool.
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el böthy
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Posted: October 21 2005 at 17:15 |
I would start with bands like Rush, the harder side of Jethro Tull...then Dream Theater moving into Yes...then from then on...eternety
my God did that sound cheesy
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krauthead
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Posted: October 21 2005 at 17:11 |
Wandering Days wrote:
Ack! I just found out this kid doesn’t like Pink Floyd! What a strange child . Looks like I’ve got my work cut out for me….
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I knew that... if he liked that the first try that would be cool but scary 
He's totally normal though Pink Floyd is amazing.
Don't give up on him, he must find something interresting in the whole genre else he's a hell of a punk with that negative attitude! 
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krauthead
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Posted: October 21 2005 at 17:08 |
Wandering Days wrote:
I'd like to introduce a 12 year old guy to the progressive genre and would like some suggestions on bands.
The guy currently listens to Punk (Dead Kennedys/Clash/Ramones/etc) but is bright for his age and reads stuff like Tolkien/Hitckhiker's Guide/Dracula etc. He does not appreciate what he calls "emotional music", by which I think he means love ballads and overly sentimental stuff.
Any suggestions?
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* Bo Hansson - Lord Of The Rings (Finest organ player in Sweden, very good debut... this will surelly fit since he's inte that Tolkien stuff).
If he likes that album you can try his follow-up album to that one: Magician's Hat.
Hmmm... since he's not into sentimetal stuff try 'Rush - 2112' good guitar stuff.
A friend of my punk and he's deeply in love with Frank Zappa and his music especially the late sixties and early seventies albums.
Hawkwind is also worth trying, space psychedelic progressive rock loaded with solid guitar work and some very minor punk elements in some tunes... maybe not but some songs have similar feel to it though...
Judas Priest, their early albums have some great stuff... maybe he likes it...
Rainbow - Rising (a kid in that age would atleast say that he finds it interresting) 
Well, good luck mate! 
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Runaway
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Posted: October 21 2005 at 16:43 |
Well, I began listening classic rock like at 8, and began listening prog at 10. But I've always listened to Gentle Giant, and had been my fav band since. I also liked rush a lot, but I think i lost some interest for them.
And sorry if it was not understandable, Im too lazy right now to write correctly.
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flying teapot
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Posted: October 21 2005 at 16:21 |
Considering the attention span of 2-3 minutes, and the basic of Punk its hard to throw in the middel of Prog and hope he knows how to get to the shore and say he enjoyed it.
We have to be prudent, he said already he does not like emotional stuff so Pink Floyd would be a mistake, as would be Yes.
What style music followed Punk....Ah it was New Wave....they used Keyboards a lot, often were melodic, yet had an Punk edgy side.....Coul be that New Wave may be the transition point to some other prog. Gentle Giant may be too much, but I would suggest some progmetal...because its cool.
I also would suggest only to play a cut here or there or excerpts just enough to grab his attention then go all over from one band to the next from one style to the other...no more than a cut from an album or band...
If he asks for more of a cut, or band feed him more, then follow similar bands...
GOOD LUCK
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Wandering Days
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Posted: October 21 2005 at 12:22 |
Ack! I just found out this kid doesn’t like Pink Floyd! What a strange child . Looks like I’ve got my work cut out for me….
Maybe I will have explore the old Metallica, Coheed and Cambria, and Van Der Graaf Generator route. He has heard Tool and System of the Down and thinks they are OK, so there is a glimmer of hope.
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Wandering Days
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Posted: October 20 2005 at 16:11 |
Shwoa! This is great. Thanks for the responses!
I haven't had time to look through them all yet. In a major hurry just now.
This kid is a non-conformist, and has respect for older music. I deffinite plus!
About Gentle Giant though. My own 12 year old has thankfully learned to tolerate my YES obsession without comment and has even gone to concerts with me, but isn't a fan. Imagine my surprise when she pronounce GG awesome! I had almost given up hope!
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ShW1
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Posted: October 20 2005 at 15:54 |
That reminds me that once i gave to a clever 13 years old boy, ommadawn by Mike Oldfield, but he prefared Led Zeppelin instead...
so i think Led Zeppelin is a good start, where he could jump to prog easily. and Metallica is good idea, and that kind of stuff you recommanded...
I dont understand how someone could give Gentle Giant for his kids... what will they listen to after it?
for me, Gentle Giant was the LAST important 70's to get through .
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Posted: October 20 2005 at 15:25 |
If your friend likes the aggression and raw power of the Dead Kennedys (who I've always liked!), then maybe the link could be via Metallica's early material (pre 1991), which has aggression in bucketloads. It also has many long and relatively complex tracks.
Metallica are a good link, because they were inspired by the more progressive metal bands (Budgie and Diamond Head), and punk bands (Fear, Crass, etc) - although obviously their more recent material leaves a lot to be desired.
You could then introduce him to Dream Theater (who use Metallica riffs in some of their most acclaimed work), and onwards to Gentle Giant. "The Wreck" on "Acquiring The Taste" should be suitably heavy and dark, and any of GG's early albums are fantastic - but may require slightly more attention than the DKs.
If he likes the Clash, then Here and Now's albums are a more direct entry point - you can go from there to Gong in one fell swoop, and bingo - you're in the heart of Canterbury. I'd recommend "Give And Take".
The other band who I think are a link between Prog and Punk are the Stranglers. Once you're hooked on those fat bass lines, rich keyboards and well thought out song constructions, there's no going back!
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: October 20 2005 at 15:08 |
i got into tangerine dream at 7 and the residents at 10...try the strange stuff at first and see how he likes that 
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Cygnus X-1
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Posted: October 20 2005 at 14:52 |
I'd go with Floyd or Dream Theater. popular options basically.
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Tonny Larz
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Posted: October 20 2005 at 14:39 |
I think that this kid (parden the tag) needs some real dark and complex music!!
Gentle Giant for the complex angle...and maybe Tool for the dark angle ??!
On the other hand.....if people like Dead kennedy´s and punk like stuff....
there are a world of difference in both the music and the approach...for
progmusic are for the thinking man (woman) as....punk music are for the...
ahem..well....anarchist...the political minded...you know,the one whom
always seems to have the right answer!!
Im gonna get a good trashing on this one arent i ??
Oh,,my god...how did i get into this mess of political message....all i wanted
was to be a good prog messenger!!
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Chipiron
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Posted: October 20 2005 at 14:04 |
... Not a lot case. Although I don't like too much Prog Metal, maybe it would be a good start....
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Posted: October 20 2005 at 13:59 |
how about some Yes, if you can get past Anderson's vocals, their is
little not to like and is essential prog. Say the Yes Album or Fragile.
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GFoyle
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Posted: October 20 2005 at 13:59 |
viperjr98 wrote:
That said, might I suggest trying something more modern with prog
touches. If he's more into crunchy guitars and driving
drum beat, try Coheed and Cambria. They're not here in the
archives, but I believe they should be. They are definitely prog
influenced, if not quite prog. Co & Ca is something kids can
listen to and still be current and their albums have an ongoing
storyline that would challenge any sci-fi fan.
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Great suggestion! Then probably move to The Mars Volta and Tool.
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GFoyle
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Posted: October 20 2005 at 13:53 |
How about something more modern  ?
I would probably start from more mainstream prog metal (Tool, Dream
Theater etc.), which is slightly more cool than the seventies stuff  (very important)
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viperjr98
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Posted: October 20 2005 at 13:40 |
If he currently listens to punk, then he's used to 2 to 3 minute songs. It might be difficult for prog to hold his attention in a genre where short songs are 6 minutes.
That said, might I suggest trying something more modern with prog touches. If he's more into crunchy guitars and driving drum beat, try Coheed and Cambria. They're not here in the archives, but I believe they should be. They are definitely prog influenced, if not quite prog. Co & Ca is something kids can listen to and still be current and their albums have an ongoing storyline that would challenge any sci-fi fan. From there, it would be an easy step back to lead him into Rush, and from there, wherever his heart may roam, be it back to the present to the current prog-metal scene or back to the 70's to Yes/Genesis/et al.
If he's more into spacey atmospheric music (less likely due to the punk influence, but still), he might get into Radiohead, another modern prog-influenced band. From there it would be an easy step back to Pink Floyd.
Your call. It will be a tough sell, but I applaud you for trying. Ultimately, though, sometimes the harder you push the less someone else will take to it. They have to find their own thing. Hopefully it's prog, in one respect or another.
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micky
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Posted: October 20 2005 at 13:32 |
get your friend into Gentle Giant now. 
It's like teaching a foreign language, the easier the younger you
start. Have already started my three kids on Gentle Giant
and they love it. Try Octopus.
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