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MikeEnRegalia 
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 Posted: October 17 2005 at 09:58 |
We'll see ... and how it compares to the new Tool album. 
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eugene
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Posted: October 17 2005 at 10:01 |
My great hope is that future of prog is with Taal, After Crying, Inquire, Aside Beside, Kotebel, the likes of 4/3 de trio (on symphonic side), Miriodor, Birdsongs of the mesozoic, Ensemble Nimbus (on avant side), Djam karet, Kopecky and the likes on (art side).
If metal is future of prog - this is so unenviable future...
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 17 2005 at 10:05 |
 eugene wrote:
My great hope is that future of prog is with Taal, After Crying, Inquire, Aside Beside, Kotebel, the likes of 4/3 de trio (on symphonic side), Miriodor, Birdsongs of the mesozoic, Ensemble Nimbus (on avant side), Djam karet, Kopecky and the likes on (art side).
If metal is future of prog - this is so unenviable future...
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Can you really imagine that these bands will attract masses of fans like Yes or Genesis did in the 70s?
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eugene
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Posted: October 17 2005 at 10:17 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
eugene wrote:
My great hope is that future of prog is with Taal, After Crying, Inquire, Aside Beside, Kotebel, the likes of 4/3 de trio (on symphonic side), Miriodor, Birdsongs of the mesozoic, Ensemble Nimbus (on avant side), Djam karet, Kopecky and the likes on (art side).
If metal is future of prog - this is so unenviable future...
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Can you really imagine that these bands will attract masses of fans like Yes or Genesis did in the 70s?
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No, I cannot, frankly. And I am not sure if I really want them to become massively popular. But maybe future of prog is in its elitism???
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goose
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Posted: October 17 2005 at 10:18 |
I think the present of prog is elitism 
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: October 17 2005 at 10:20 |
Damn,I hate coming into a topic late,especially when it's about a favorite subject of mine.
I don't know if prog metal is THE future of prog,there are so many new bands coming out right now in each genre that are putting their own little spin on things.
I do know that prog metal is a very poplular genre of prog(some purists will argue that it is not even a legitimate genre,but...oh well.),but it's not going to go away or die out any time soon,so don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 17 2005 at 10:21 |
^ we already have that elitism ... and I think you're right, it will stay this way. I would be perfectly happy if prog got just a little bit more popular, so that I'd have the chance to see more prog concerts. But I would not want prog to become the next big "thing" ... not if it means that it ends in an "ocean of compromise". No, just little drops of water for me.
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Posted: October 17 2005 at 10:23 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
some purists will argue that it is not even a legitimate genre |
Is that purists of prog, or purists of metal?
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 17 2005 at 10:25 |
Both. What better proof of progressiveness could there be?
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eugene
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Posted: October 17 2005 at 10:26 |
goose wrote:
I think the present of prog is elitism |
"As it was in the beginning,
Is now,
And ever shall be !!!"
Is this what you wanna say ??? Maybe you're right then. But not with metal. It is very popular, commercial etc etc. And although I like certain metal bands, and have very warm feelings towards metal in general, as it was simply music of my youth, I do not really consider metal progressive. I would rather agree with those who claim it's completely different genre altogether.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 17 2005 at 10:29 |
metal in itself isn't progressive, eugene. But are you honestly saying that none of the bands listed as Prog Metal in the archives are prog? 
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: October 17 2005 at 10:32 |
goose wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
some purists will argue that it is not even a legitimate genre
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Is that purists of prog, or purists of metal? |
The prog purists who think the sun rises and sets on Yes,Genesis,Gentle Giant,VDGG,ELP,King Crimson,etc. and look down thier nose at everything else.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: October 17 2005 at 10:33 |
eugene wrote:
goose wrote:
I think the present of prog is elitism |
"As it was in the beginning,
Is now,
And ever shall be !!!"
Is this what you wanna say ??? Maybe you're right then. But not with metal. It is very popular, commercial etc etc. And although I like certain metal bands, and have very warm feelings towards metal in general, as it was simply music of my youth, I do not really consider metal progressive. I would rather agree with those who claim it's completely different genre altogether.
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See what I mean?????????????
Why can't metal be progressive?????
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: October 17 2005 at 10:37 |
Progressive:
- Moving forward; advancing.
- Proceeding in steps; continuing steadily by increments: progressive change.
- Promoting or favoring progress toward better conditions or new policies, ideas, or methods
If that can apply to Rock.....why can't that apply to metal??
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eugene
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Posted: October 17 2005 at 10:40 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
metal in itself isn't progressive, eugene. But are you honestly saying that none of the bands listed as Prog Metal in the archives are prog? |
No, I've never said "none of the bands listed as Prog Metal in the archives are prog", have I?
But among bands listed as prog-metal here I prefer band less metal and more progressive as opposed to metal with progressive elements such as Circus Maximus etc etc etc - hundreds of this kind of bands are around, DT clones, Symphony X clones, Symphony X itself etc etc etc, and I do not like them at all.
And you correctly stated "metal in itself isn't progressive" - this is valid point.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 17 2005 at 10:54 |
^ nevermind eugene, you didn't say that - I just wanted to annoy you.
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: October 17 2005 at 11:59 |
IMe thinks prog metal is the future of prog, although it will never be as popular as in the 70s... Look at Tool - One of the greatest & most important metalband on earth.... When I remember watching the MTV album charts back in 2002 or 2001.... Lateralus was number 4 in Europe & 5th in the USA.. I wonder what will happen this year... and what bout band like Evergrey? Their DVD was for quite a long time on the 1st place of bestselling DVD back in their homeland... It was in the top 10 in all the Scandinavian lands... I know that Sweden 'n' co are well known for lost of metal heads but still.. never did something like this happen be4  ... Dream Theater also has a massive following.... And what did Lars Ulrich form Metalica say bout St. Anger ? "i wanted it 2 sound like a Meshuggah album"... And I recently saw quite a lot bout them in the press... Opeth signed 2 Roadrunner was also vital... They are one of the most respected band in the US by now... Prog metal gets far more attention now then in the 90s... That a good sigh, me thinks
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Posted: October 17 2005 at 12:54 |
i don't want prog to be elitist - prog metal bands don't contemplate their navels - they just get on with it 
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 17 2005 at 13:00 |
eugene wrote:
goose wrote:
I think the present of prog is elitism |
"As it was in the beginning,
Is now,
And ever shall be !!!"
Is this what you wanna say ??? Maybe you're right then. But not with metal. It is very popular, commercial etc etc. And although I like certain metal bands, and have very warm feelings towards metal in general, as it was simply music of my youth, I do not really consider metal progressive. I would rather agree with those who claim it's completely different genre altogether.
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Do you realize how easily you can replace "metal" with "rock" here ... that's what they must have said 30+ years ago:
Is this what you wanna say ??? Maybe you're right then. But not with rock. It is very popular, commercial etc etc. And although I like certain rock bands, and have very warm feelings towards rock in general, as it was simply music of my youth, I do not really consider rock progressive. I would rather agree with those who claim it's completely different genre altogether.
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eugene
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Posted: October 17 2005 at 16:50 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
eugene wrote:
goose wrote:
I think the present of prog is elitism |
"As it was in the beginning,
Is now,
And ever shall be !!!"
Is this what you wanna say ??? Maybe you're right then. But not with metal. It is very popular, commercial etc etc. And although I like certain metal bands, and have very warm feelings towards metal in general, as it was simply music of my youth, I do not really consider metal progressive. I would rather agree with those who claim it's completely different genre altogether.
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Do you realize how easily you can replace "metal" with "rock" here ... that's what they must have said 30+ years ago:
Is this what you wanna say ??? Maybe you're right then. But not with rock. It is very popular, commercial etc etc. And although I like certain rock bands, and have very warm feelings towards rock in general, as it was simply music of my youth, I do not really consider rock progressive. I would rather agree with those who claim it's completely different genre altogether.
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Yes, I think it's funny, do not think it's true though.
My feeling is as if I've grown up and apart from metal into more complicated, sophisticated and less noisy kind of music. I like music to be aggressive sometimes, but on some stage I realised that you don't have to be loud to sound aggressive.
Anyway, it's my personal and very subjective opinion.
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