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    Posted: October 16 2005 at 04:54
Why is there such a lack of newer, more popular prog bands on this site?  I mean with the mars volta sort of bringing back the genre, there are many new bands coming up with more prog-ish stuff, trying to stray away from the mainstream, such as Coheed and Cambria, System of a Down, and bands such as Fall of Troy.  I mean, in 20 years or so, bands like the mars volta and dredg and the ones I previously named will be cited as the most influential bands of this generation of music.  There is no denying it, listen to many newer bands, they are starting to incorporate styles of these bands.  Why arent there more newer bands on the archives?
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contrary to what you say, I don't have the impression there is such a lack of newer bands in here. while the archive is by no means complete, it has quite a huge variety of new artists.

as to Coheed and Cambria: from what I have heard of them, they don't strike me as a prog band at all



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Well said BaldJ. Personally I have picked up on quite a few new bands from this site, examples include Wobbler, Pig Farm On The Moon and Riverside.
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Originally posted by cobb cobb wrote:

Well said BaldJ. Personally I have picked up on quite a few new bands from this site, examples include Wobbler, Pig Farm On The Moon and Riverside.

The funny thing about Wobbler is that their guitarist recently said that he doesn't think that Wobbler are really progressive. They are just recreating 70s prog ... they do it very well and I like it very much, but there are many current bands that fans of traditional prog wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole ... and yet they are 10x more progressive than Wobbler.

 
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Originally posted by cobb cobb wrote:

Well said BaldJ. Personally I have picked up on quite a few new bands from this site, examples include Wobbler, Pig Farm On The Moon and Riverside.

Wobbler and Riverside are incredible.Have you heard of Magic Pie?


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

contrary to what you say, I don't have the impression there is such a lack of newer bands in here. while the archive is by no means complete, it has quite a huge variety of new artists.

as to Coheed and Cambria: from what I have heard of them, they don't strike me as a prog band at all

I agree,Jean.And System of a Down is definitely not prog.


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pretty much no one has ever heard of wobbler, pig farm, or any of the newer bands on this website.  This is what I'm talking about.  THere are plenty of more well-known modern bands that are progressive or have progressive elements that arent ont his website. 

 

As with the old prog, pretty much anyone that is any fan of music at all has heard of the big old prog acts, like Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Rush... But there is a huge lack of bands that are somewhat well known to people in my generation (around the age of 18).  Sure there are newer bands, but no one has ever heard of any of them , and will probably never ever hear of them.
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yep, System of a Down are a really good example of a good band playing on a high level, very adventurous etc. ... but not prog.
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Points: 1149 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2005 at 05:34
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by cobb cobb wrote:

Well said BaldJ. Personally I have picked up on quite a few new bands from this site, examples include Wobbler, Pig Farm On The Moon and Riverside.

Wobbler and Riverside are incredible.Have you heard of Magic Pie?



Yeah- ain't that a fantastic band.

Re Mike: I heard some live stuff from Wobbler (no singer) and I know what you mean. It sound like it was pulled straight from KC's Red
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^ cobb: Nevertheless Wobbler are a great band. Being derivative is not a bad thing in itself, as long as the band makes it obvious.

BTW: In the last issue of the German magazine "Eclipsed" there was a nice article on current prog bands. Highlights were: Pendragon, Echolyn, Glass Hammer, Man On Fire and Wobbler. Prog is far from dead ... many new exciting releases this year.

  • Sigur Ros
  • Secret Chiefs 3
  • Neal Morse
  • Roine Stolt
  • Sieges Even
  • ...
  • ...
  • ..

I can't complain!
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Originally posted by xhamasaki xhamasaki wrote:

pretty much no one has ever heard of wobbler, pig farm, or any of the newer bands on this website.  This is what I'm talking about.  THere are plenty of more well-known modern bands that are progressive or have progressive elements that arent ont his website. 

 

As with the old prog, pretty much anyone that is any fan of music at all has heard of the big old prog acts, like Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Rush... But there is a huge lack of bands that are somewhat well known to people in my generation (around the age of 18).  Sure there are newer bands, but no one has ever heard of any of them , and will probably never ever hear of them.

well, this is the place to make them popular. suggest an artist for inclusion, explain why you think the artist should be included, offer some musical examples, and then we will see.

but you are VERY mistaken if you think that "classic" prog ends with the bands you listed. why, you haven't even scratched the surface yet!

and you are also mistaken if you think no-one has heard of the newer bands. but, excuse the pun, I usually don't do a wobbler over most new bands. too tame (which may not be the fault of the bands; it is more a fault of the music industry, which suppresses anything really original. "boys, we will produce your record, but you have to cut that weird and atonal part of 'You Can't Stand this' out. it decreases commercial potential".


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

and you are also mistaken if you think no-one has heard of the newer bands. but, excuse the pun, I usually don't do a wobbler over most new bands. too tame (which may not be the fault of the bands; it is more a fault of the music industry, which suppresses anything really original. "boys, we will produce your record, but you have to cut that weird and atonal part of 'You Can't Stand this' out. it decreases commercial potential".

Jean, there are many record labels which will produce "atonal" music. InsideOut is one of the biggest prog friendly labels ... and while they focus on harmonic bands, there are many others.

Have a look at www.webofmimicry.com ... check out the Secret Chiefs 3, or Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. And if you're really adventurous, try www.ipecac.com.



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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

and you are also mistaken if you think no-one has heard of the newer bands. but, excuse the pun, I usually don't do a wobbler over most new bands. too tame (which may not be the fault of the bands; it is more a fault of the music industry, which suppresses anything really original. "boys, we will produce your record, but you have to cut that weird and atonal part of 'You Can't Stand this' out. it decreases commercial potential".

Jean, there are many record labels which will produce "atonal" music. InsideOut is one of the biggest prog friendly labels ... and while they focus on harmonic bands, there are many others.

Have a look at www.webofmimicry.com ... check out the Secret Chiefs 3, or Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. And if you're really adventurous, try www.ipecac.com.

yes, I know, but those are independent labels. there used to be a time when the big record companies supported prog (when it was "fashionable"), but alas, that time has passed


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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

there are many current bands that fans of traditional prog wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole ... and yet they are 10x more progressive than Wobbler.


 
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

They are just recreating 70s prog ... they do it very well and I like it very much, but there are many current bands that fans of traditional prog wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole ... and yet they are 10x more progressive than Wobbler.



Suggest away, Mike. I will give anything a listen 3 or 4 times before forming an opinion
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Originally posted by xhamasaki xhamasaki wrote:

Why is there such a lack of newer, more popular prog bands on this site?  I mean with the mars volta sort of bringing back the genre, there are many new bands coming up with more prog-ish stuff, trying to stray away from the mainstream, such as Coheed and Cambria, System of a Down, and bands such as Fall of Troy.  I mean, in 20 years or so, bands like the mars volta and dredg and the ones I previously named will be cited as the most influential bands of this generation of music.  There is no denying it, listen to many newer bands, they are starting to incorporate styles of these bands.  Why arent there more newer bands on the archives?

 

Simple answer: we need people like you to put together "submission packages" and propose these groups to be added.

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11993& amp;PN=1

Anyone and everyone can and should do this.

We now have a large body of Special collaborators working on all aspects of the site,but especially band addition.We have a dedicated Band Submissions/Admissions Tream,however they can only do so much.

Band Submission types:

Three categories:

  • Prog
  • Proto-Prog
  • Prog-Related
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Points: 5964 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2005 at 08:36

Prog's as dead as I am. And I'm not dead at all.
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Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Prog's as dead as I am. And I'm not dead at all.

Prog is not dead ... it just smells funny.
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It's great that Prog Archives give us Collaboarators lots of space to offer new and interesting bands to the visiting progheads all over the world. In almost two years I got the opportunity to write about many great Italian, Japanese, Spanish, British and German bands from the past and lots of new bands like Bijou, Mikromidas, Aries, Doracor, Willowglass, Presto Ballet, Unoma, Little Tragedies, etc., etc. Nonetheless I got the idea that most of the visitors from this site are mainly interested in the known bands, only a small group of progheads is more adventurous. The same happens with the prog concerts: sold out gigs with IQ, Marillion, Transatlantic, Spock's Beard and The Flower Kings but only 50 to 100 people with Ange, Anekdoten, After Crying or other less known but very interesting progrock bands. The progrock scene is very vivid but it remains mostly an underground scene. But I will keep positive and will write until my death about less known progrock!
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Sadly, with the exeption of Anglagard, I find no actual prog band that I really like. So, prog is not dead, but it is almost for me !
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