Lack Of Newer Prog Bands
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Topic: Lack Of Newer Prog Bands
Posted By: xhamasaki
Subject: Lack Of Newer Prog Bands
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 04:54
| Why is there such a lack of newer, more popular prog bands on this site? I mean with the mars volta sort of bringing back the genre, there are many new bands coming up with more prog-ish stuff, trying to stray away from the mainstream, such as Coheed and Cambria, System of a Down, and bands such as Fall of Troy. I mean, in 20 years or so, bands like the mars volta and dredg and the ones I previously named will be cited as the most influential bands of this generation of music. There is no denying it, listen to many newer bands, they are starting to incorporate styles of these bands. Why arent there more newer bands on the archives? |
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 05:04
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contrary to what you say, I don't have the impression there is such a lack of newer bands in here. while the archive is by no means complete, it has quite a huge variety of new artists. as to Coheed and Cambria: from what I have heard of them, they don't strike me as a prog band at all -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 05:25
| Well said BaldJ. Personally I have picked up on quite a few new bands from this site, examples include Wobbler, Pig Farm On The Moon and Riverside. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 05:27
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The funny thing about Wobbler is that their guitarist recently said that he doesn't think that Wobbler are really progressive. They are just recreating 70s prog ... they do it very well and I like it very much, but there are many current bands that fans of traditional prog wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole ... and yet they are 10x more progressive than Wobbler.
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cobb wrote:Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 05:30
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Wobbler and Riverside are incredible.Have you heard of Magic Pie? -------------  |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 05:31
I agree,Jean.And System of a Down is definitely not prog. ------------- |
Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 05:33
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pretty much no one has ever heard of wobbler, pig farm, or any of the newer bands on this website. This is what I'm talking about. THere are plenty of more well-known modern bands that are progressive or have progressive elements that arent ont his website.
As with the old prog, pretty much anyone that is any fan of music at all has heard of the big old prog acts, like Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Rush... But there is a huge lack of bands that are somewhat well known to people in my generation (around the age of 18). Sure there are newer bands, but no one has ever heard of any of them , and will probably never ever hear of them. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 05:33
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yep, System of a Down are a really good example of a good band playing on a high level, very adventurous etc. ... but not prog. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 05:34
Yeah- ain't that a fantastic band. Re Mike: I heard some live stuff from Wobbler (no singer) and I know what you mean. It sound like it was pulled straight from KC's Red |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 05:42
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^ cobb: Nevertheless Wobbler are a great band. Being derivative is not a bad thing in itself, as long as the band makes it obvious. BTW: In the last issue of the German magazine "Eclipsed" there was a nice article on current prog bands. Highlights were: Pendragon, Echolyn, Glass Hammer, Man On Fire and Wobbler. Prog is far from dead ... many new exciting releases this year.
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 05:45
well, this is the place to make them popular. suggest an artist for inclusion, explain why you think the artist should be included, offer some musical examples, and then we will see. but you are VERY mistaken if you think that "classic" prog ends with the bands you listed. why, you haven't even scratched the surface yet! and you are also mistaken if you think no-one has heard of the newer bands. but, excuse the pun, I usually don't do a wobbler over most new bands. too tame (which may not be the fault of the bands; it is more a fault of the music industry, which suppresses anything really original. "boys, we will produce your record, but you have to cut that weird and atonal part of 'You Can't Stand this' out. it decreases commercial potential". ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 05:52
Jean, there are many record labels which will produce "atonal" music. InsideOut is one of the biggest prog friendly labels ... and while they focus on harmonic bands, there are many others. Have a look at http://www.webofmimicry.com - www.webofmimicry.com ... check out the Secret Chiefs 3, or Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. And if you're really adventurous, try http://www.ipecac.com - www.ipecac.com . ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 05:54
yes, I know, but those are independent labels. there used to be a time when the big record companies supported prog (when it was "fashionable"), but alas, that time has passed ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 06:27
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Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 06:54
Suggest away, Mike. I will give anything a listen 3 or 4 times before forming an opinion |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 08:09
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Simple answer: we need people like you to put together "submission packages" and propose these groups to be added. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11993&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11993& amp;PN=1 Anyone and everyone can and should do this. We now have a large body of Special collaborators working on all aspects of the site,but especially band addition.We have a dedicated Band Submissions/Admissions Tream,however they can only do so much. Band Submission types: Three categories:
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 08:36
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Prog's as dead as I am. And I'm not dead at all. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 10:24
Prog is not dead ... it just smells funny. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 11:56
| It's great that Prog Archives give us Collaboarators lots of space to offer new and interesting bands to the visiting progheads all over the world. In almost two years I got the opportunity to write about many great Italian, Japanese, Spanish, British and German bands from the past and lots of new bands like Bijou, Mikromidas, Aries, Doracor, Willowglass, Presto Ballet, Unoma, Little Tragedies, etc., etc. Nonetheless I got the idea that most of the visitors from this site are mainly interested in the known bands, only a small group of progheads is more adventurous. The same happens with the prog concerts: sold out gigs with IQ, Marillion, Transatlantic, Spock's Beard and The Flower Kings but only 50 to 100 people with Ange, Anekdoten, After Crying or other less known but very interesting progrock bands. The progrock scene is very vivid but it remains mostly an underground scene. But I will keep positive and will write until my death about less known progrock! |
Posted By: OldFatherThames
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 13:17
| Sadly, with the exeption of Anglagard, I find no actual prog band that I really like. So, prog is not dead, but it is almost for me ! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 13:28
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Do you know Wobbler? Check out the link in my database. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: Pseud0
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 13:35
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what about Paatos?
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Posted By: geezer
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 13:38
Erik, I couldn't agree more with your statement here. The funny thing is that all the best contemporary groups are those little known ones. That's how i feel anyway. Great bands that only the adventurous get to know. What a pity!
Yep, I don't even have any interest to write about popular bands! I'm a big supporter of contemporary prog but the popular bands do absolutely nothing for me. It seems to be that if it's popular it is also something i dislike. |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 13:57
i consider coheed and cambria to be prog IMO. i also feel that this IS the place for people to tell us about newer prog bands and i have found many many prog bands thanks to the efforts of my peers on this site.i may not always agree with their opinions (coheed and cambria) but i do respect them  ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 13:58
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It's our job as collaborators to promote these small bands properly. If only each collaborator wrote ten reviews for his favorite "underdogs" ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 14:31
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The three bands you mentioned in your first post; Coheed, System, and fall of tryo are not prog.. Though they do have some prog influence and ideas, they arent prog. ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 14:49
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I have been to the homepage of Coheed and Cambria and listened to all the examples there; I can't find anything proggy in them ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 14:52
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They seem to be very similar to Rush ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 14:53
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"Good Apollo..." is the continuation of Claudio Sanchez' bleak sci-fi narrative of doomed husband and wife Coheed and Cambria.Following on from 'In keeping with secrets of silent earth:3',the New York foursome take their potent mix of '70s prog-rock,emo amd metal and have created a behemoth of a third album which demands repeated listens.For fans of Rush,Muse.
Kerrang Oct.1st issue. ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 14:55
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How about this cool album: http://www.kaada.no/romances/ - http://www.kaada.no/romances/
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Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 02:58
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Coheed, System of a Down, and Fall of Troy are all progressive rock bands. It may not be the overproduced stuff of the 70's but its still progressive. I think the definition on this website for progressive rock is wrong, because most of the bands really fit into the category are overblown pretentious and overproduced. All of the bands I just mentioned are just as much art-rock prog as a band like Alan parsons project or even queen for that matter. The fact that they are pushing the envelope in modern music today makes them progressive rock bands. Just like the mars volta.
It seems to me that people on this website and forum label the bands they like as prog and any band they dont like isnt progressive. Just like people that bash dream theater or mars volta.
On another note, I really don't understand the definition of progressive on this website. I dont see how making music complex and long makes something "progressive". The definition of progressive is that it brings about change. A band like pink floyd brought about change in the music industry as a whole, just like bands like the beatles or rush, or even the mars volta in terms of modern music. I would consider most of the bands on this website to be "Art rock" but not really "progressive", because "progressive" implies that they brought about change. Theres a difference between writing a 30 minute long song about slaying dragons and killing monsters and having it have 1000000 time signature changes and have it written in 5 different keys than writing a 4:00 long song that truly changes the face of rock as a whole. The later is whats progressive to me. |
Posted By: OldFatherThames
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 10:46
No I don't ...but I would like to hear about them ! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 10:52
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^ you can listen to about 30 minutes worth of music on their homepage, just search for wobbler on my homepage (link in my sig). ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 10:52
No, I mean you really should, and not only Wobbler. There are many new prog bands producing music of highest level sited here. Just check them out step by step, and you will see very soon that prog is far from being dead by any means. ------------- carefulwiththataxe |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 11:00
And there are more things that can be done in eight minutes than four. If you're determined to take the word "progressive" literally rather than its actual use on this website, ie. Prog, then I'll have to point out that progression could equally be referring to progress within the song itself, and as such the longer the song the easier it is to progress from one place to another. Build-ups and pacing are something important to my music listening, which is why I like GYBE!, EITS, et al so much  although I personally wouldn't have put them on this site.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 11:04
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^ you can't please everyone. Write a short song - people demand epics. Write an epic - get accused of not getting to the point. Write short albums - bad idea. Write long/double disc albums - be accused of having filler songs. Use real life lyrics - get accused of not being imaginative enough. Write fantasy lyrics - no thanks, too cheesy. Write simple songs - people demand more time changes. Write complex songs - people call you w**ker.
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Posted By: xentagz
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 15:15
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http://www.theauroraproject.com">  http://www.theauroraproject.com - WWW.THEAURORAPROJECT.COM they just did a gig with riverside. bye xentagz |
Posted By: OldFatherThames
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 22:09
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Thanks ! Looks great . |
Posted By: OldFatherThames
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 22:13
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[/QUOTE] The same for me. All these popular bands like Dream Theater, Opeth, even Flower Kings, Porcupine tree (some goodstuff tough), Glass Hammer, The mars volta, leave me totally indifferent ! |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 22:35
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Posted By: Gabrielpenteado
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 00:04
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there are LOADS of really new bands with very interesting sounds
such as Porcupine Tree, my peresonal favorite at the moment(can´t stop listening to the Recordings album and Coma divine!) but as the matter of prog rock being dead, i think it is dead, as the living thing today is hardcore and hip hop music, there´s no way you will ever get return for investing in a prog rock band for the public these days. As i think the definition of dead is being not listened by a reasonable public, or not having anything new happening (not as far as new bands go, as far as influenting that genre, that´s why i like newer porcupine tree a lot, they´ve added so many pop sounds) and in fact, prog will be dead for good now, just as the classic rock genre, it is only for saudosists and people interested in a different culture than nowadays. |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 16:53
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I don't think so. Maybe old school prog is dead, but there is a lot of experimental rock bands. ------------- ˇBeware of the Bee! |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 17:23
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Hello Cuncuna. Do you know Angulart and Jaime Rosas Cuartetto? I love them!
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Posted By: Big Ears
Date Posted: October 20 2005 at 11:21
| The seventies progressive rock bands set a precedent which could not be matched, ie. Close to the Edge, Brain Salad Surgery, Dark Side of the Moon and Nursery Cryme. |
Posted By: BigHairyMonster
Date Posted: October 20 2005 at 13:41
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Could it be that prog rock is still alive and well, but the true prog
FAN is (mostly) dead? Do we still listen with a set of 1975 ears,
or are our ears corrupted by all of the modern distractions of video
games and other instant entertainment? Are people genuinely interested in music (of any genre) anymore? I can't count how many times I've heard the phrase, "I don't know what the lyrics are...lyrics are unimportant" or "I don't listen to CDs, I find a song I like and download it." These are intrinsic parts of the music listening experience, yet it always seems as though the modern fast food mentality of the world doesn't allow for being absorbed by music. Am I wrong? And yes, there are loads of good modern prog bands...Izz, Land Of Chocolate, Echolyn, Glass Hammer, Systems Theory, The Mosquito, The Red Masque, Farpoint, Little Atlas, Under The Sun, Estradasphere, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Magenta, Somnambulist, and I hope to have Big Hairy Monster recognized among these groups on the release of our debut later this year. There is no shortage of music, just a shortage of interested listeners. ------------- Big Hairy Monster's debut CD "View" coming soon! www.bighairymonster.com |
Posted By: Catholic Flame
Date Posted: October 20 2005 at 14:00
Well said! "Progressive" should be about pushing the boundaries. A lot of the groups on this site do not do that.
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Posted By: peskypesky
Date Posted: October 20 2005 at 14:33
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Do people know about the band Akineton Retard from Chile? http://www.akineton.cl/ Their first album is pretty impressive and might appeal to fans of King Crimson, Soft Machine, Henry Cow, and Magma. They combine some elements from those bands but their sound is current and fresh. They seem to be classified in the RIO category, but I'm not very familiar with that genre. I like them. Here's someone's description of Akineton Retard: "...excellent Chilean quintet utilizing guitar, bass, drums and dual sax players. Very much influenced by King Crimson and even by the KC Projekts, Akineton Retard play an aggressive forn of angular, modern prog that has few if any equals on the current scene. There is also something of the NY 'downtown' scene present in their uniquely avant-garde take on the prog rock genre. Maybe hints at Curlew or even John Zorn's groundbreaking ensemble Naked City." |
Posted By: xentagz
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 08:58
wow,a new progband on the horizon?? The Aurora project - Biography Instant Magic After years of rehearsal, in 2001 the band decided to record their first demo in a Dutch publisher’s studio, CAT Music. CAT Music was so thoroughly impressed by the band, that they provided them with the opportunity to record a full-length album under CAT Music’s licensing. The Aurora Project maximized their efforts and produce the concept album Unspoken Words. In the following period, all efforts were coordinated to find a suitable record company to release the album. In March 2005, the band succeeded and signed with the Dutch record company DVS Records. The internationally oriented label has proved its thorough understanding of the progressive rock market with previous successful releases by bands such as Wolverine, Into Eternity and, most recently, Alias Eye and Voyager. They have 2 songs from their album placed on their website at: http://www.theauroraproject.com/ - www.theauroraproject.com |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 09:01
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I'm already listing The Aurora Project ... I'll add the link to their homepage. BTW: Check out this page too for samples: http://www.dvsrecords.com/samples.htm - http://www.dvsrecords.com/samples.htm
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Posted By: xentagz
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 09:17
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Is the album available in the usa?? |
Posted By: Space Dimentia
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 09:21
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For one Coheed and Cambria are prog they call themsleves that. But I do agree there are not many on the horizon yet there is revivall going on, that is why a part of my hopes that my band (we are called Equinox) will be picked up and we can the continue the march of the 'nu-prog'. ------------- Prog is music for the mind Hear your Orphaned child! Check out my bands myspace site: www.myspace.com/equinox17 |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 09:51
agree |
Posted By: Flip_Stone
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 12:59
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There doesn't seem to be lack of newer prog. bands. There are many new bands, and most are included on this site. The quality though seems to be lacking. Something is lost these days that was in the older groups.
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Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 13:41
Welcome Home and The Suffering (the two song samples I found on their site) are not their most progressive songs. I highly suggest getting their latest album though. Even if it isn't prog, that doesn't mean it's not worth giving it a listen. BTW, I do think C&C are prog! ------------- My recent purchases: 
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Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 13:53
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Mostly Autumn are true prog and thoroughly modern. They are also brilliant, in the style of the great 70s bands. They are not afraid to scream their progness from the rooftops, either. I'm just setting off to see them in York tonight! PS They were absolutely amazing. Don't miss them! |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 14:43
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I don't really agree I think that some bands that are coming to surface are pretty good |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 15:56
Then you need to listen to their third album more ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |