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dream_orchestra wrote: OK then, shouldn't ratings be based on sales rather than paoples own opinions. As sales don't lie.

Yeah, let's go ahead and put Linkin Park at the top of the charts, because sales are *obviously* proportional to quality.  Dumbass.

Since when were LInkin Park prog...oops forgot they are American..so anything goes.

dream_orchestra wrote: OK then, shouldn't ratings be based on sales rather than paoples own opinions. As sales don't lie.

Sales are good indicators of popular music- Prog is not popular. I think ratings based on how the listerner percieves the music is much more appropriate for this type of music. If it was based on sales there would be genesis - we can't dance and yes - 90125. These are not the best representations of bands that do/have based their works on composition.

Most of us don't care about sales and would agree that these are not true indicators of a bands best output.

[edit] If you are truly interested in progressive music take note that there is a respected history behind it and don't just dismiss a work because it is 30 years old. Take the time to explore some of these 'classics' and you may find something that you will treasure as much as the rest of us.


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I love playing with trolls, it helps tick away the moments that make up a dull day 

Marc Baum wrote: To say that Genesis are poor compared to ELP, is possibly the lack of overview or fanboy-ish attitude. I like both bands, but simply count Genesis higher in importance for the genre with their best Gabriel-era records.

The guy sounds like he only knows love beach and wouldn't know that Brain Salad Surgery was by ELP if he heard it

[edit] I mean the other guy, not you Marc

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Man Overboard wrote: I love playing with trolls, it helps tick away the moments that make up a dull day

Lunatics aren't just on the grass

dream_orchestra wrote: Nonsense.........Genesis are poor compared to ELP, bland arty farty types who bore most with their bland music i.e. Favouritism seems endemic on this site, rather than open and unbiased accounts. As for any DT album to rate higher than an ELP album, would be blasphemous in any other world. I have grave doubts over this site being a true and unbiased site, favouritism seems benign.

If you like ELP so much, can I beat you mercilessly with a sh*t-covered copy of Love Beach?

To anyone who doesn't like Genesis, i feel sorry for them. They're missing out.

I know. i used to be one of them. (Peter Gabriel's voice was too....i couldn't handle it initially. now hes my favorite frontman in prog.)

I know a lot of people who doesn't like Genesis too much like for example Threefates, but even though I absolutely and strongly  disagree (Even had some tough discussions), always respected her opinion because she has a valid (for her) argument.

She doesn't limit to say that's arty fartsy or ELP is better because I say so, she truly believes and argues that Lake has one of the best voices (I agree but don't believe he's the best vocalist) that Palmer is a solid drummer (Also agree) and that Emerson is the best keyboardist (I disagree), but I can debate with her (Well, almost all the time ).

But we're before an ELP troll that is better to ignore until he learns some basic rules of behaviour and respectful discussion.

But we also need some coherence, to say they are better because they sold more albums is absurd and almost a heresy for a proghead, if this was true, what in hell are we doing here?

Prog' is one of the less popular genres in Rock history, if we believe in sales we should be listening Rap, boys/girls bands or Celine Dion , we're wasting our time with Prog'.

The essence of Prog' is to make and listen great music without ever caring how many albums are sold. I wish all the world was full of Progheads, but if this doesn't happen I don't care, I will listen any band I like despite they only sell one album that I buy.

We had this problem before with a couple of trolls, so we should be used to it.

Iván

 

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I'm getting tired of people saying that Genesis, Pink Floyd, Camel etc. are overrated. Isn't there some sort of spell check that can automatically erase those comments? Maybe we should ban the word "overrated" from the forum. Most of the times it has nothing to do with more objective arguments but just with taste. Well, I'm beginning to repeat Ivan's sensible comments  so I'll stop here.