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    Posted: October 17 2005 at 03:43
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Dark Tranquillity is a full on Melodic Death Metal band though


I know what Melodic Death Metal is, but it still seems like an oxymoron to me

If you knew what Melodic Death Metal is, you wouldn't call it an oxymoron.



What I meant was although I know why it's called melodic death metal, and agree that the name is justified, the phrase "melodic death metal" still seems like an oxymoron.
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Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Dark Tranquillity is a full on Melodic Death Metal band though


I know what Melodic Death Metal is, but it still seems like an oxymoron to me

If you knew what Melodic Death Metal is, you wouldn't call it an oxymoron.
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What genre  would you say  VIRGIN BLACK are ?

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Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Dark Tranquillity is a full on Melodic Death Metal band though


I know what Melodic Death Metal is, but it still seems like an oxymoron to me

Melodic Death Metal is often called "Gothenburg Metal".  It's not exactly an oxy moron.  It has some catchy melodies mixed in with driving death metal guitars.  Check out Dark Tranquillity, In Flames, At The Gates, Arsis, Wintersun, and Insomnium for some decent mDm.
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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Dark Tranquillity is a full on Melodic Death Metal band though


I know what Melodic Death Metal is, but it still seems like an oxymoron to me
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Dark Tranquillity is a full on Melodic Death Metal band though
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I've never considered gothic metal to be progressive.  As many of us know, many bands have progressive influences but are not really progressive.  Dark Tranquillity could be considered to be progressive, well until Chracter because they had an unconventional style and tonality to their metal, but Dark Tranquillity isn't a full on progressive band.
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Tiamat's album Wildhoney is awesome...check that one out.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

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My Dying Bride are Doom Metal.

Not if you ask the purist doom metalheads though . In all fairness they don't have a lot in common with the more extreme propogators (I apologise for that word - I've drunk far too much to make anything resembling sense ) of doom metal.

I was sure that someone would complain  about that statement ... and you're right. I would describe My Dying Bride as Emo-Doom ... or Doomcore, something like that. But more Doom than Gothic.

 Even in the wikipedia they're not sure about this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_metal

the English wikipedia lists My Dying Bride as a Gothic Metal band ...

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_Metal

the German version lists them as a Death/Doom band which was kind of "Proto-Gothic".

BTW: Both pages list many bands which are not Gothic IMO ... The Gathering,After Forever, Epica etc.

What do you think: Are all the Beauty and the Beast (Female vocals/grunts) metal bands automatically Gothic Metal? IMO necessary elements of Gothic Metal are religious/esoteric lyrics and medieval sounds.

 

Only goes to prove everything I say about Wikipedia.

Use it out of interest - but not as gospel

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MDB are goth/doom/death actually.
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Prog does not fit a specific genre, and truly progressive artists within any genre can create progressive rock.

A good example is Yes. Their first album is hardly prog rock.

Prog Rock *simply* has to be progressive, i.e. have enough progressive elements that the music is no longer a precise fit for whichever genre the music emerged.

What constitues "enough" is a matter for debate or conjecture largely - but a dedicated committee with the aid of enough outside consultation could rationalise it to fit the needs.

Prog is not black and white, after all, but a colourful collection of influences from a multiplicity of genres. That is in itself a progressive element.

Many genre names these days seem a very poor fit, and anyone can contribute to Wikipedia - so I really would not take its' word for anything. Especially Prog Rock.
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Evergrey are not a Gothic Metal band.

 The genre name is crap anyway .. it doesn't have anything to do with Gothic! Just read the discussions of the wikipedia entries ... it's ridiculous.
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Yeah.... Although there are some porgressive gothic bands... like Evergrey!!!!

btw... whats the difference between dark progressive & progressive gothic? These terms ofen discribe what Evergrey does...
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Points: 2530 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2005 at 08:22
ehm... goth metal is not prog metal


hope that clears it up
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Points: 4828 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2005 at 08:06
Originally posted by Don Quito Don Quito wrote:

Tiamat / My Dying Bride
Good bands! I think MY DYING BRIDE has "gothic elements" in their music, but I have no idea how to classify them... I think their albums before "Angel and The Dark River" are their finest.

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Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

My Dying Bride are Doom Metal.

Not if you ask the purist doom metalheads though . In all fairness they don't have a lot in common with the more extreme propogators (I apologise for that word - I've drunk far too much to make anything resembling sense ) of doom metal.

I was sure that someone would complain  about that statement ... and you're right. I would describe My Dying Bride as Emo-Doom ... or Doomcore, something like that. But more Doom than Gothic.

 Even in the wikipedia they're not sure about this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_metal

the English wikipedia lists My Dying Bride as a Gothic Metal band ...

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_Metal

the German version lists them as a Death/Doom band which was kind of "Proto-Gothic".

BTW: Both pages list many bands which are not Gothic IMO ... The Gathering,After Forever, Epica etc.

What do you think: Are all the Beauty and the Beast (Female vocals/grunts) metal bands automatically Gothic Metal? IMO necessary elements of Gothic Metal are religious/esoteric lyrics and medieval sounds.
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Points: 336 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2005 at 22:29
Goth metal's definition in my opinion is the Zoon album  from Nefilim.The goth roots begin in another music territory that has nothing to do with progressive music after all.Even though there are some bands i enjoy they wouldn't fit too well here....When a group has a dark feeling doesn't mean that you're listening to goth
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Points: 4097 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2005 at 20:47
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

My Dying Bride are Doom Metal.

Not if you ask the purist doom metalheads though . In all fairness they don't have a lot in common with the more extreme propogators (I apologise for that word - I've drunk far too much to make anything resembling sense ) of doom metal.
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Points: 21594 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2005 at 20:03
Another band that's often confused with Gothic Metal: The Gathering. Brilliant ambient/space metal. only their first two albums have folk influences, which are mistaken for Gothic.
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^ Precisely Mike! Do not confuse "Gothic Metal" with Doom Metal, Extreme Metal or Symphonic Metal.
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