Goth Metal = Prog Metal???
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Topic: Goth Metal = Prog Metal???
Posted By: Don Quito
Subject: Goth Metal = Prog Metal???
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 16:44
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This just came into my mind... I don't want to start a thread where I am proposing to incorporate Goth Metal bands into the archives, but I was wondering, is Goth Metal considered to be Prog Metal either??? Forgive me if this was discussed before... I really want to recall there are a few bands in the archives that are goth metal and hence considered as prog metal bands. For example: The Gathering, Therion and a few others, which I don't remember (I really don't mind if they are good or not). The point is, if they are considered to be prog, then Goth Metal could be a form of prog metal either... ------------- KEEP THE PROMISE YOU MADE |
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 16:46
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also there seems to be a common belief that new POWER METAL with keyboard solos= PROG METAL ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Don Quito
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 16:54
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Like Kamelot and Nightwish to mention a few??? So, if this is true, then goth metal is believed to be prog metal??? ------------- KEEP THE PROMISE YOU MADE |
Posted By: Don Quito
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 16:58
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I know a few goth metal bands: Tiamat / My Dying Bride / Therion They have done pretty good material endeed and they combine many instrumental parts in their songs... melody / harmony/ etc. ------------- KEEP THE PROMISE YOU MADE |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 18:58
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My Dying Bride and Therion are not Gothic Metal. Therion are Symphonic Metal, and My Dying Bride are Doom Metal.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 19:29
| ^ Precisely Mike! Do not confuse "Gothic Metal" with Doom Metal, Extreme Metal or Symphonic Metal. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 20:03
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Another band that's often confused with Gothic Metal: The Gathering. Brilliant ambient/space metal. only their first two albums have folk influences, which are mistaken for Gothic. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 20:47
Not if you ask the purist doom metalheads though
 . In all fairness they don't have a lot in common with the more extreme propogators (I apologise for that word - I've drunk far too much to make anything resembling sense  ) of doom metal. |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:Posted By: Angeldust
Date Posted: October 08 2005 at 22:29
Goth metal's definition in my opinion is the Zoon album from Nefilim.The goth roots begin in another music territory that has nothing to do with progressive music after all.Even though there are some bands i enjoy they wouldn't fit too well here....When a group has a dark feeling doesn't mean that you're listening to goth  ------------- 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 09 2005 at 02:22
I was sure that someone would complain about that statement ... and you're right. I would describe My Dying Bride as Emo-Doom ... or Doomcore, something like that. But more Doom than Gothic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_metal - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_metal the English wikipedia lists My Dying Bride as a Gothic Metal band ... http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_Metal - http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_Metal the German version lists them as a Death/Doom band which was kind of "Proto-Gothic". BTW: Both pages list many bands which are not Gothic IMO ... The Gathering,After Forever, Epica etc. What do you think: Are all the Beauty and the Beast (Female vocals/grunts) metal bands automatically Gothic Metal? IMO necessary elements of Gothic Metal are religious/esoteric lyrics and medieval sounds. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Even in the wikipedia they're not sure about this:Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: October 09 2005 at 08:06
 I think MY DYING BRIDE has "gothic elements" in their music, but I have no idea how to classify them... I think their albums before "Angel and The Dark River" are their finest.
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 09 2005 at 08:22
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ehm... goth metal is not prog metal
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: October 09 2005 at 08:29
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Yeah.... Although there are some porgressive gothic bands... like Evergrey!!!! btw... whats the difference between dark progressive & progressive gothic? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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These terms ofen discribe what Evergrey does...Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 09 2005 at 08:33
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Evergrey are not a Gothic Metal band.
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Just read the discussions of the wikipedia entries ... it's ridiculous.Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: October 09 2005 at 08:43
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Prog does not fit a specific genre, and truly progressive artists within any genre can create progressive rock. A good example is Yes. Their first album is hardly prog rock. Prog Rock *simply* has to be progressive, i.e. have enough progressive elements that the music is no longer a precise fit for whichever genre the music emerged. What constitues "enough" is a matter for debate or conjecture largely - but a dedicated committee with the aid of enough outside consultation could rationalise it to fit the needs. Prog is not black and white, after all, but a colourful collection of influences from a multiplicity of genres. That is in itself a progressive element. Many genre names these days seem a very poor fit, and anyone can contribute to Wikipedia - so I really would not take its' word for anything. Especially Prog Rock.
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Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: October 09 2005 at 08:45
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MDB are goth/doom/death actually. ------------- 
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: October 09 2005 at 14:54
Only goes to prove everything I say about Wikipedia. Use it out of interest - but not as gospel |
Posted By: ulver982
Date Posted: October 09 2005 at 22:38
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Tiamat's album Wildhoney is awesome...check that one out. ------------- Improvement makes straight roads, but the crooked roads without improvement, are roads of genius. Silence is the music of the future. |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 20:09
| I've never considered gothic metal to be progressive. As many of us know, many bands have progressive influences but are not really progressive. Dark Tranquillity could be considered to be progressive, well until Chracter because they had an unconventional style and tonality to their metal, but Dark Tranquillity isn't a full on progressive band. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 11 2005 at 20:13
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Dark Tranquillity is a full on Melodic Death Metal band though
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Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 12 2005 at 03:23
I know what Melodic Death Metal is, but it still seems like an oxymoron to me ------------- Be or be not. There is no question. - Yoda, Prince of Denmark |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: October 12 2005 at 19:38
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Melodic Death Metal is often called "Gothenburg Metal". It's not exactly an oxy moron. It has some catchy melodies mixed in with driving death metal guitars. Check out Dark Tranquillity, In Flames, At The Gates, Arsis, Wintersun, and Insomnium for some decent mDm. |
Posted By: Kohllapse
Date Posted: October 15 2005 at 05:28
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What genre would you say VIRGIN BLACK are ? ------------- 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 15 2005 at 05:37
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If you knew what Melodic Death Metal is, you wouldn't call it an oxymoron. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 03:43
What I meant was although I know why it's called melodic death metal, and agree that the name is justified, the phrase "melodic death metal" still seems like an oxymoron. ------------- Be or be not. There is no question. - Yoda, Prince of Denmark |