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Darin 
Forum Newbie 
Joined: May 06 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1 |
 Posted: October 08 2005 at 07:11 |
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I just started using this site about 5 months ago, and I've really enjoyed it. Progressive music is pretty new to me as a genre. As in... I've listened to a lot of bands that were considered "Progressive" and liked them, but I never realize how vast it was, and how much more was out there - so this site really helped in that way.
I thought at first the MP3s were neat, but didn't think much of them... but quickly started to! I began reading about a band, and would download the MP3s. My problem is I don't always want to listen to a song immediately, or to have to be online or be at my computer to hear it. So I would download these MP3s and put them on one huge playlist, and listen to them while laying down... or I would listen to them in the car, etc. I've come to enjoy so many bands it's ridiculous! I've bought a lot more CDs lately because of it - A LOT! I enjoy the streaming idea. It looks neat and works well. But I will miss the MP3s and I agree with some that this will make it less encouraging for people to listen to new music. I do wish there was MP3s in addition to streaming. I like being able to instantly hear the artist FROM the artist page if you want to while you're reading, but the ability to download was what really got me listening! With downloading I could hear the songs in a setting not so... critical I guess? Like how I would just naturally listen to my other music. I could hear it when I wanted to, become interested in something I wasn't really listening FOR. Anyway, I don't want to get on anyone for it. I understand the reasoning behind it. I like the look of the streaming so far, and I really like some of those future ideas! I guess it could work both ways... While for someone who doesn't like to hear songs right away always, who like to just kick the songs up whenever, or those who want to hear them away from the computer... I'm sure they will be less involved/interested in the way they were. But this new streaming way could work very well. You can sure listen to songs faster and more randomly! I enjoy that. I like that each page will have a playlist, and you can listen to whole genres - that's a big plus. Any improvements, like User-specific playlists, could make a much better communitity. Say you find a review you really agree with, and you want to see what else the user likes... you can do that now, but maybe you could have the option to listen to their playlist. That would be cool. Anyway, I like the idea a lot. I will just miss the MP3 downloads and I wish there would be that option still in some way. But streaming might work great too... and I'm excited for any improvements. One request... the text is hard to read! Can it be made bigger/taller/bolder somehow? Anyway, good luck with things, and maybe in some form the MP3s can return. But either way, I think the streaming thing could open up a lot of new possibilities for things here, and especially a better community! - Darin |
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rushaholic
Forum Senior Member 
Joined: May 13 2005 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 1141 |
Posted: October 07 2005 at 18:49 |
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For those of you still interested in free MP3 downloads, you can visit
http://music.download.com They have MP3's from many genres of music, including some pretty cool post rock stuff. A lot of it is placed there by band members trying to get their music out. Most of it is not from bands posted here but they do have some that is (Mars Volta, Explosions in the Sky, etc.) I have to agree with many others who have posted - I have but over 100 cd's this past year, largely a result of this website and after downloading MP3's that I could listen to at my leisure. Those I didn't like were deleted and those I did povided a good sampling and led to me buying the cd. If at all possible, bring them back. Edited by rushaholic |
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator 
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21681 |
Posted: October 07 2005 at 11:03 |
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^ there are many 24 or 48 kbit channels that should work with a dialup connection ... although the audio quality is sub optimal and you shouldn't try to access web pages while listening.
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Bob Greece
Prog Reviewer 
Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1823 |
Posted: October 07 2005 at 10:59 |
I'm hoping to do that in the future but at the moment with my Internet connection it's useless. |
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21681 |
Posted: October 07 2005 at 10:46 |
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Of course you can also listen to a lot of prog internet radio stations: |
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Bob Greece
Prog Reviewer
Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1823 |
Posted: October 07 2005 at 10:42 |
Yes, I think it's in the record companies' interests to give a few free samples. For example, the record company Inside Out could probably make a good profit if they went into collaboration with this site giving a few free samples of their albums. I'm sure that there is a lot of stuff on Inside Out that I'd like but I just never hear it. I used to buy Metal Hammer magazine. Where do the record companies think we're going to hear this stuff? On Prog FM Radio? |
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Norm Cash
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 01 2005 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 280 |
Posted: October 07 2005 at 10:22 |
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I know you're working hard to come up with a solution to things here, but could you (or someone else if you don't know) please answer the question about why PA simply didn't drop the MP3s of the labels that complained? Like many others, I too enjoyed the ability to easily download an mp3, take it with me wherever I wanted to go, and give it a good listen before deciding whether I wanted to pursue that particular artist. As a direct result of the files on offer, I've purchased some 60 CDs in the course of the past 4 months, most of which I'd NEVER have considered had I not had the chance to listen first. In fact, limeyrob sums up my feelings absolutely perfectly in his post above. Unfortunately, it looks as if PA has already made the decision to go fully for the streaming option, and since this isn't a democracy I guess the best thing that we, as users, can do is support guys like M@X in the job they're doing to try to provide us with the best system we can get. The absence of fully downloadable mp3s certainly won't stop me from using PA to further my knowledge and enjoyment of progressive music.
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"We did it....you and me! Put him right under the table!" |
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The Mister
Forum Newbie
Joined: September 27 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 19 |
Posted: October 07 2005 at 09:23 |
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Ooh... another friendly suggestion: Track time elapsed/total. I want to know how long until (1) the next track or (2) the next restroom break. And another: a pause button (stop means I have to start the song over and I can't search to the middle). Woo! |
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Bob Greece
Prog Reviewer
Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1823 |
Posted: October 07 2005 at 06:58 |
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Many bands' official websites contain MP3 samples for downloading. Most of the older bands don't but a lot of new ones do. On the Jadis website, you can even order a sample CD to be sent to you for free.
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Eetu Pellonpaa
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 17 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 4828 |
Posted: October 07 2005 at 06:42 |
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By the way, should the the description text in the prog archives home page be quickly fixed? There still reads "Progressive Rock Ultimate Discography ... with MP3 and reviews"! Edit: Oh, ofcourse the streams are mp3's also. Too hasty post, sorry. Edited by Eetu Pellonpää |
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M@X
Forum & Site Admin Group
Co-founder, Admin & Webmaster Joined: January 29 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4077 |
Posted: October 06 2005 at 18:52 |
Thanks for sharing your opinions. I will however (soon) allow visitor to POPUP the Streaming App to surf while visiting progarchives.com others pages |
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Prog On !
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limeyrob
Forum Senior Member
VIP Member Joined: January 15 2005 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 1402 |
Posted: October 06 2005 at 17:48 |
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Cripes I've only been away two days and look what happens. I've read a couple of pages of this thread before writing this and my view still hasn't changed from previous threads. I think the mp3's are a great idea and led me to buying loads of CDs. Yes I have downloaded loads of them. But only to listen to them in my own time, get used to the bands style and if I like them I more often than not get the featured album plus a few more besides. If the music is not my style the mp3 is deleted. What's the point in clogging up one's hard drive with music that is not my style. I also delete the track once I have bought the album so that I can listen to it in full. In fact I usually don't buy now unless I have heard the track a few times. For me, I have to be in a certain mood to match the music I am listening to. Streaming will inevitably lead to missing out on some albums because I wouldn't be in the right mood. Moody git I know, but aren't we all? To those types who gloat over downloading as many tracks as they can - shame on you I have an interest in marketing and I always thought that this site was an excellent source of quality music. I have always advocated that record labels should do what most companies do and market their wares - often using free samples. Many times I have passed through the train station to be handed some promotional pack. I see no difference here provided we follow some basic rules. I don't like the streaming system as it stops when you change pages. I personally like to listen to music whilst I am navigating this site or even computing generally. I have bought 200+ CDs since being a member of this site, with no signs of it slowing down - if anything it is increasing exponentially. However, if the record companies continue to take this line then they can kiss goodbye to my patronage. I usually operate on a give and take principle, this seems all take by the record companies to me. Rant over, but I had to say it |
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Publius
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 14 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 382 |
Posted: October 06 2005 at 17:25 |
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Theres one good thing about streaming them, I can now listen to them at school, I couldn't before because MP3s are filtered.
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I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8
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popesta
Forum Newbie
Joined: March 23 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 31 |
Posted: October 06 2005 at 17:21 |
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Have to admit I quite like the streaming MP3s. p |
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21681 |
Posted: October 06 2005 at 11:58 |
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There is no such rule ... even a 1 second clip doesn't automatically qualify as a legal sample. Although it's very unlikely that someone would complain about it. Edited by MikeEnRegalia |
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Bionic Commando
Forum Groupie 
Joined: June 09 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 71 |
Posted: October 06 2005 at 11:34 |
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Can't you simply cater for the complaining labels? I hear if you snip 10 seconds off a song, that makes it a sample - therefore it's legal. Could you do that for the bands in question and leave the other bands as it is?
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Citanul
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 14 2005 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 430 |
Posted: October 06 2005 at 03:29 |
Sorry for not getting back to you M@X, I'd left for home before your messages came through. I'm using Firefox 1.0.7, so I don't think that's the problem. The connection speed could be the problem. I've no idea what it is - I'm working at a university, and using their internet connection, so I suppose it's faster than the average South African connection, but it's not blindingly fast. Although I was able to listen to Welcome Home from Coheed and Cambria's official site, so I don't know why that works, and PA doesn't. |
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Be or be not. There is no question. - Yoda, Prince of Denmark
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richeym
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 23 2004 Status: Offline Points: 148 |
Posted: October 05 2005 at 22:38 |
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at least with streaming i can listen to stuff on the Uni library comps nice and easy. that's about the only benifit though.
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Manunkind
Forum Senior Member
Joined: February 02 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 2373 |
Posted: October 05 2005 at 19:19 |
 Of all companies, Cuneiform would be one of the last I'd suspect of objecting to this.
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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S Lang
Forum Senior Member
Joined: August 01 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 441 |
Posted: October 05 2005 at 16:35 |
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So, Cuneiform objected? Rather silly of them considering that I mail ordered many of their releases in the past and only a few remains in my possession. More importantly, they are amongst the reasons why I won't buy through recommendations anymore - unless I can sample what's on offer.... Sadly, Cuneiform is off my agenda as it is. |
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MikeEnRegalia wrote:
They would give a free CD each month with samples. I would usually buy one of the CDs from the sample. It's a shame that there is nothing like this for prog. I would love to see something like this and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
You are obviously spoiling it for those of us who take this site seriously and appreciate what it brings. It's just not cricket. The word 'parasite' springs to mind