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Topic: Where are our mp3?
Posted By: Prog-Brazil
Subject: Where are our mp3?
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:49
We don't have free mp3 anymore?

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Let the sunshine in



Replies:
Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:50
Yea..the streaming idea is cool but i like to be able to save the song on my computer

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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:51
mp3 free on limewire

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Originally posted by darkshade:

Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.


Posted By: Revan
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:52
i don't think this is the place to discuss this. I had posted on the "forum, web, etc" forum

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Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:55
Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

mp3 free on limewire

yea but limewire isnt too good at finding the more rare stuff.


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Posted By: Revan
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:56
Originally posted by con safo con safo wrote:

Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

mp3 free on limewire

yea but limewire isnt too good at finding the more rare stuff.


Exactly


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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:57
Originally posted by con safo con safo wrote:


Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

mp3 free on limewire

yea but limewire isnt too good at finding the more rare stuff.


agreed but then its pretty damn good

but we digress

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Originally posted by darkshade:

Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.


Posted By: Revan
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:59
and why don't they leave all as it is (sorry, as it was)?

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Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:00
Plus the streaming thing stretches out the page.

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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:02

Yes it's about legal conflicts , we are testing it and check the response of the label involved in the confilicts.

I think the Streamer is cool -- it will evovle in the coming weeks.

Stay Tuned !



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Prog On !


Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:02
Record Companies

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Posted By: Revan
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:04
Quote

Stay Tuned !




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Posted By: Fearless
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:07

Originally posted by con safo con safo wrote:

Record Companies
       

I knew the whole free mp3 thing was too good to be true.



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You don't stand a chance!


Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:07
Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

Yes it's about legal conflicts , we are testing it and check the response of the label involved in the confilicts.

I think the Streamer is cool -- it will evovle in the coming weeks.

Stay Tuned !

I liked the downloads better

Then you can keep the mp3's instead of just listen to them everytime you visit



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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:08
Yea and if you have dialup!


Posted By: Progcupine
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:15

that's not fair!!

I prefer it the other way.....



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Posted By: Frasse
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:18
Originally posted by Fearless Fearless wrote:

Originally posted by con safo con safo wrote:

Record Companies
       

I knew the whole free mp3 thing was too good to be true.

I remember finding this site one day a year ago (or do I?). Is this legal I thought but then decided to not give a damn about it and proclaim that paradise was found.



Posted By: Revan
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:18
Record companies are going straight to hell anyway... With or without prog archives


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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:35

I miss the mp3's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

O well...i got some of the ones i wanted. Thanks for those.



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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:50
i got one mp3 !!! it was ages before i discovered them !!!

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Originally posted by darkshade:

Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.


Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:55
I downloaded every mp3 i saw.

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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:55
Streaming isn't too bad... If you like it, buy it. If you don't then you don't want it anyway.

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Posted By: Yes2Beard
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:59
any chance things will change and go back to the way it should be?

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Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:59
nah, i like to listen to it a couple of times on my mp3 player before i buy it
plus I like to save it for when the internet is down or to send it to friends i dont like streaming


Posted By: Revan
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 18:23
Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

i got one mp3 !!! it was ages before i discovered them !!!




So i don't have much to argue... mi mp3's library (not only from progarchives obiously) has: 173 artists, 346 albums, and 1777 songs. Nice uh?


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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 18:31

I don't like streaming too.

I have no choice for now , thanks



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Prog On !


Posted By: Chris_Kemp
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 18:39
I am so glad I took the appropriate time here at work to download as many as I could. It did seem too good to be true. The question is...how much will loyalty to this site denegrate because if it?

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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 18:41

Originally posted by Chris_Kemp Chris_Kemp wrote:

I am so glad I took the appropriate time here at work to download as many as I could. It did seem too good to be true. The question is...how much will loyalty to this site denegrate because if it?

That is the $64000 Question!!

This is when we find out who our true friends are......



Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 19:04
I like streaming. I think it's a fine idea.

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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
Of integrity


Posted By: krusty
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 19:10
The thing is you can stream from Amazon, Tower or HMv...

It's a shame the MP3's have gone I have discovered a few bands via the mp3 download option playing them whilst traveling to work on my mp3 player.

Oh well..




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Posted By: The Ryan
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 19:11

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Streaming isn't too bad... If you like it, buy it. If you don't then you don't want it anyway.

Streaming is, de facto, "too" bad. There iis no way for anyone to skip to a certain point (time) in any given song. I cannot critically analyze something over progarchives.com before I buy it now. Also many people desire to save an mp3 or two onto their computer for whatever reason... can't anymore though. Thanks streamers.



Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 19:12

Originally posted by krusty krusty wrote:

The thing is you can stream from Amazon, Tower or HMv...



Not full tracks though!



Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 19:17

Originally posted by krusty krusty wrote:

The thing is you can stream from Amazon, Tower or HMv...

Not full tracks though!

I'm listening to the Genesis streams now.At least you can play all the tracks instantly without downloading!



Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 19:20
Originally posted by The Ryan The Ryan wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Streaming isn't too bad... If you like it, buy it. If you don't then you don't want it anyway.

Streaming is, de facto, "too" bad. There iis no way for anyone to skip to a certain point (time) in any given song. I cannot critically analyze something over progarchives.com before I buy it now. Also many people desire to save an mp3 or two onto their computer for whatever reason... can't anymore though. Thanks streamers.

Well if it is between that and closing the site down?   God, I would hate to be without PA.



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Posted By: transend
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 19:33

Well, I for one am a musician and I have MP3s posted on the site, I am a little disappointed that they are down, because I feel that in this type of music many of the songs require repeated listenings to fully take effect.

I certainly have downloaded MANY songs from here and put them on CDs to listen to and ended up buying many CDs by artists I did not know after hearing the songs and getting to like the music. I would hope that could happen again, in our tight knit community it is important to protect our musicians rights, I agree, but I, for one, am very happy to allow our music to be downloaded, if it helps people to get to know us and like our music. We are all here to discuss our favorites and dislikes and DISCOVER our next favorites, I would love to see that continue.



Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 19:44
Originally posted by transend transend wrote:

I certainly have downloaded MANY songs from here and put them on CDs to listen to and ended up buying many CDs by artists I did not know after hearing the songs and getting to like the music. I would hope that could happen again, in our tight knit community it is important to protect our musicians rights, I agree, but I, for one, am very happy to allow our music to be downloaded, if it helps people to get to know us and like our music. We are all here to discuss our favorites and dislikes and DISCOVER our next favorites, I would love to see that continue.

I just made a poll up on that very issue here:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12566&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12566& amp;PN=1

 

I think the record companies need to know this especially the second level ones that cater to prog music.  This site is their friend not their enemy.

 



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Posted By: Shaman
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 19:52

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Yea and if you have dialup!

Yes, we the ones who have internet dialup are going listen to the  progarchives songs by part.

A 7 minute song would last 20 minutes or more.......



Posted By: Revan
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 20:05
Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Streaming isn't too bad... If you like it, buy it. If you don't then you don't want it anyway.


You forget some little inconvenient with some people... Not all the world has money to buy everything they want! If i buy al the albums i like i'd become poor.


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Posted By: krusty
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 20:08
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by krusty krusty wrote:

The thing is you can stream from Amazon, Tower or HMv...

Not full tracks though!

I'm listening to the Genesis streams now.At least you can play all the tracks instantly without downloading!



Well technically you still are downloading the those tracks... you just no longer have the option of listening to them anywhere else.

BTW, I noticed in your sig you were playing Courtney Pine so your not all bad...





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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 20:13
Originally posted by krusty krusty wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by krusty krusty wrote:

The thing is you can stream from Amazon, Tower or HMv...

Not full tracks though!

I'm listening to the Genesis streams now.At least you can play all the tracks instantly without downloading!



Well technically you still are downloading the those tracks... you just no longer have the option of listening to them anywhere else.

BTW, I noticed in your sig you were playing Courtney Pine so your not all bad...



Devotion?

I have a personally signed copy of that albumCool



Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 20:18
It's not the end of the world. Just buy a CD you really want that's all. You're
complaining about streaming FULL length songs? That's fine to sample a
band and that's all we need.

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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
Of integrity


Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 20:22

Aw man, I love the mp3's...

Good thing I downloaded all I could when I found them!  I have lots...ooooo.

 



Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 20:28
Originally posted by Arsillus Arsillus wrote:

Aw man, I love the mp3's...

Good thing I downloaded all I could when I found them!  I have lots...ooooo.

 


Yep, every time i seen an mp3 i downloaded it, so i have a quite a bit.


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Posted By: richeym
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 20:31
i have a lot of stuff i downloaded a year ago from here, but i've not got anything that's been added in the last year :(

i prefer the mp3s to be honest. i also think that if you're gonna stream the music now, rather than let people download, you should make a 'progarchives' radio - where people can see ALL songs available on the site on 1 page and play what they want without having to browse artist pages

plus, isn't this new way gonna vastly increase the sites bandwidth...?

edit:

also, can you make the stream player show you how far through the song you are?

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Posted By: Revan
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 20:31
Originally posted by FragileDT FragileDT wrote:

It's not the end of the world. Just buy a CD you really want that's all. You're
complaining about streaming FULL length songs? That's fine to sample a
band and that's all we need.


Ok man, you live in United States, am i wrong? ok, i live in the world's ass, Argentina. The only way to get rare albums is buying in the internet, and that makes it four times more expensive. So what shall i do? the answer is very simple: Download.


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Posted By: The Ryan
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 20:43
Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

Originally posted by The Ryan The Ryan wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Streaming isn't too bad... If you like it, buy it. If you don't then you don't want it anyway.

Streaming is, de facto, "too" bad. There iis no way for anyone to skip to a certain point (time) in any given song. I cannot critically analyze something over progarchives.com before I buy it now. Also many people desire to save an mp3 or two onto their computer for whatever reason... can't anymore though. Thanks streamers.

Well if it is between that and closing the site down?   God, I would hate to be without PA.

Okay mister five stars, you are right about keeping PA up, even if it means streaming/not downloading. But have you ever seen streamers that let you seek to a certain time in the song? That would solve my problem I just cried about entirely, except not being able to save. I can deal with that. As of now I'm annoyed.



Posted By: Arnold Layne
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 21:02
Is what http://danceage.com - danceage.com does legal cause if it is than we should do that exept put prog albums on it

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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 22:13

The Streaming system will improve with time , thanks for your patience guys !

List of coming features:

  • Random playlist by genre, bands ( radio like )
  • Stream only new mp3 added
  • Create a playlist
  • Share your playlist
  • Stream While you navigate through site
  • ...

Please post any suggestions



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Posted By: Pr@gmatic
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 22:23
The first suggestion would be to add some whole streaming-albums...

Is that asking too much?... it probably is... sorry... 



Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 01:07
Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:


Originally posted by FragileDT FragileDT wrote:

It's not the end of the world. Just buy a CD you really
want that's all. You're
complaining about streaming FULL length songs? That's fine to sample a
band and that's all we need.


Ok man, you live in United States, am i wrong? ok, i live in the
world's ass, Argentina. The only way to get rare albums is buying in
the internet, and that makes it four times more expensive. So what
shall i do? the answer is very simple: Download.


Yes but than surely you wouldn't be using ProgArchives as your primary
downloading source I'm assuming.

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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
Of integrity


Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 03:36
Originally posted by con safo con safo wrote:

I downloaded every mp3 i saw.


And that's exactly why record companies don't like the practice; if we downloaded every MP3 available from this site, we'd have no reason to buy CDs for a while... no sheckels going into the already overstuffed corporate coffers, but also no sheckels into artists' pockets.

That said - if you use MP3s to sample a band, then go out and shell out your hard-earned to get the CDs, MP3s can only be a good thing; record companies should see them as they are - generally, free advertising.

Right - all this sitting on the fence is makin' the old bum sore:

I WANT THE MP3s BACK!



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Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 03:50
Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

The Streaming system will improve with time , thanks for your patience guys !

List of coming features:

  • Random playlist by genre, bands ( radio like )
  • Stream only new mp3 added
  • Create a playlist
  • Share your playlist
  • Stream While you navigate through site
  • ...

Please post any suggestions



One suggestion is to actually get this thing to work properly.  I decided to try it out, so I went to the Marillion page.  Ten minutes later, I'm still waiting for the playlist to load.  So I'm definitely not in favour of this new approach


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Posted By: Throgh
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 04:04
Fortunetely I downloaded many, unknown for me, songs.
But I did it at work, where we have unlimited transfer and fast link, but the paradise is ending
At home dial up change place of job and there is no mp3 in PA -
I'm very disappointed F*$#&! *&%$# @#$! K&#%A!

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be happy


Posted By: edible_buddha
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 04:20
Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

The Streaming system will improve with time , thanks for your patience guys !

List of coming features:

  • Random playlist by genre, bands ( radio like )
  • Stream only new mp3 added
  • Create a playlist
  • Share your playlist
  • Stream While you navigate through site
  • ...

Please post any suggestions



One suggestion is to actually get this thing to work properly.  I decided to try it out, so I went to the Marillion page.  Ten minutes later, I'm still waiting for the playlist to load.  So I'm definitely not in favour of this new approach

I agree... it dosent work properly as it is... also many ppl including myself that uses thiis site rely on dialup... using dialup to stream means that the down load speed is not able to allow you to play the song as it... You listen to a 20 second segment after about a 30-60 second download, and then the sequence begins again... Most of the prog bands i like (as well as the kraut rock) are from the more mainstream arena (u know... Pink floyd, Hawkwind, Yes, et al) and i want to hear what the more obscure bands sound like.  I do not have the money to get broadband, or to buy albums 'blind' solely upon the introductory explanation of the bands music, and the reviews on the albums themselves (different ppl have different opinions).  Because of this, i would like to listen to some music, even if it only one song, so that i can decide whether to part with my hard earned money to get such a treasure.  These mp3s have already possessed me to have bands like can and gentle giant in my cd collection, something that would not have happened otherwise.

Sure the improvements will make it a bit better for some ppl to listen to the music (see above... what IS going to happen to us dial up ppl), but its not the same, and it appears to be due to corproate greed.

Besides, I thought this site was meant to promote progressive music and the artists that perform them, NOT the record companies that have made it quite clear that the short term 'buck' is more important than the music they produce.  Also, with their behaviour with charging some ppl over having recorded music, why give them respect... Of course if the artist protests, then fair enough.  But all of the complaints that I have heard (except the famous one where mettallica sued napster) have been due to companies... I want progarchives to continue, as it has brought greater attention to the music, but how do i know what i am buying. 

Not   happy!!!

 



Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 04:27
Although a bit more work is needed there is not exactly hard to get hold of these files as mp 3 files...

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Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 04:34
Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Although a bit more work is needed there is not exactly hard to get hold of these files as mp 3 files...


How exactly?  I've done searches for prog mp3s, and they're not easy to come by.


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Posted By: S Lang
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 04:59

A few points to add.

Firstly, many of the old MP3s were of a questionable choice anyway. Some of the tunes selected were not of the best representation of the artist(s). Guess what? I downloaded a handful to examine in my spare time, only about five remain UNDELETED!!! - not because of the artists, but for the choice in the sample. 

Secondly, where I live in country Australia, there are no record stores carry more prog than the Spice Girls! And, I AIN'T GOING TO BUY ANOTHER ALBUM ON RECOMMENDATION, EVER, OVER MAIL ORDER - unless I had a chance to hear it first! I bought hundreds in the past, many were disappointing. My Internet connection speed of 19200 bps (on a good day!) taking about over an hour to download one average lenght tune. Surely, it's not a bonanza for me!!!!! - but affords to have an idea at least of the style. Which brings me to:

Thirdly,  Streaming is great as long as one has a connection speed allowing multiple listening without interruptions (provided your PC can replicate the sound better than a pocket radio!!!). Most prog tunes benefit from careful and repeated attention, music interrupted every few seconds will surely not be of much interest.

Fourthly, record companies should rub their hands over the free exposure provided by the odd tune and I'd be surprised that they would object to that. Indeed I assume that they may have someone to examine trends and prepare releases according to public opinion, of which the Archives is a great vehicle.

Lastly, with MP3s gone and Streaming is a privilege of a select few, the Archives have just lost an important advantage in promoting lesser known performers.  



Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 05:00

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Although a bit more work is needed there is not exactly hard to get hold of these files as mp 3 files...


How exactly?  I've done searches for prog mp3s, and they're not easy to come by.

I meant gettin hold of these files wich are now streamed and then coverting them to mp3



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Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 05:13
Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Although a bit more work is needed there is not exactly hard to get hold of these files as mp 3 files...


How exactly?  I've done searches for prog mp3s, and they're not easy to come by.

I meant gettin hold of these files wich are now streamed and then coverting them to mp3



Two problems: First, I don't know how to do that.  Second, I can't stream the files (I'm still waiting for the Marillion playlist to load after an hour and a half).


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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 05:21
Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Although a bit more work is needed there is not exactly hard to get hold of these files as mp 3 files...


How exactly?  I've done searches for prog mp3s, and they're not easy to come by.

I meant gettin hold of these files wich are now streamed and then coverting them to mp3



Two problems: First, I don't know how to do that.  Second, I can't stream the files (I'm still waiting for the Marillion playlist to load after an hour and a half).

Ah well that might be a flash problem..but basically any sound that comes out of your speakers can be recorded and saved on your computer



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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 05:39

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

...but basically any sound that comes out of your speakers can be recorded and saved on your computer

Yep! Should we make how-to-do-it mass-PM about it, so the nasty record company men don't get a hint?  I know how to do it...



Posted By: Ray Lomas
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 05:44
I preffered the mp3s too.

I'm glad I have broadband, thankfully it's relatively cheap in this country (where almost everything isn't). I'm curious too see the improvements on the streaming system.


Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 05:48
Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Although a bit more work is needed there is not exactly hard to get hold of these files as mp 3 files...


How exactly?  I've done searches for prog mp3s, and they're not easy to come by.

I meant gettin hold of these files wich are now streamed and then coverting them to mp3



Two problems: First, I don't know how to do that.  Second, I can't stream the files (I'm still waiting for the Marillion playlist to load after an hour and a half).

Ah well that might be a flash problem..but basically any sound that comes out of your speakers can be recorded and saved on your computer



OK, I follow you.  However, that's assuming you can actually stream the entire song.  Other people have pointed out that it's not possible for everyone to do so.  Also, if the computer on which you're downloading doesn't have a sound card, you can't do it (that's not an unrealistic situation - while I was studying I had to use university computer labs in order to download the mp3s, which I would then take home and listen to). 

Just one question, has there been an official explanation as to why the streaming as opposed to downloading has been implemented?  I don't recall seeing one (and I'm too lazy to go back and check the previous posts in this thread ).




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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 07:42

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Just one question, has there been an official explanation as to why the streaming as opposed to downloading has been implemented?  I don't recall seeing one (and I'm too lazy to go back and check the previous posts in this thread ).


Streaming is less "illegal" for the record companies....



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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 07:44
Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Just one question, has there been an official explanation as to why the streaming as opposed to downloading has been implemented?  I don't recall seeing one (and I'm too lazy to go back and check the previous posts in this thread ).


Streaming is less "illegal" for the record companies....

Again this just shows the true foolishness of the record companies as it is the easiest thing in the world to make an mp3 out of streamed music.



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Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 07:57
Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Just one question, has there been an official explanation as to why the streaming as opposed to downloading has been implemented?  I don't recall seeing one (and I'm too lazy to go back and check the previous posts in this thread ).


Streaming is less "illegal" for the record companies....



Just out of interest, how many record companies have complained about the mp3s being here?


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Posted By: Prog-Brazil
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 08:03

I think mp3 in this website was the main reason for news members engage in progressive rock and PA.
Probably PA will be not the most acessed prog-website now...
I have sent some mp3 to you guys because I wanted show the beauty that prog-rock is, presenting brazilian and south american progressive to people from other side of globe, and, of course, learn more about others prog genres from other places.
Ok, but I understand you, mailto:M@x - M@x .
The dream becomes reality: free mp3 is illegal (if you agree or not.. I don't!)

 



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Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 08:09
Would it be illegal to have 30 second samples of songs for download?

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Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 08:15
Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

Would it be illegal to have 30 second samples of songs for download?


I think that might be legal, but 30 second samples of prog songs?  Somehow I don't think that's going to work very well.


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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 08:16

Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

Would it be illegal to have 30 second samples of songs for download?

unfourtnatly 30 second tidbits of prog songs would suck...like forexample 30 seconds of close to the edge or something...prog songs change to much to get a real taste of what the band is like..



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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 08:31

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:


Just out of interest, how many record companies have complained about the mp3s being here?

3

-> InsideOut for AYREON

-> Cuneiforms

-> the other is a a private label record store



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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 08:33
Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:


Just out of interest, how many record companies have complained about the mp3s being here?

3

-> InsideOut for AYREON

-> Cuneiforms

-> the other is a a private label record store

What i did not think that there was any AYREON tracks on this site? Atleast it was not the last time i checked



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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 08:38

I added the Streaming Apps in the GENRE pages also

http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_LIST.asp?style=28 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_LIS T.asp?style=28

So you can click relax and listen to only your favorite genre music

I will add a SHUFFLE link soon



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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 08:38
Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

What i did not think that there was any AYREON tracks on this site? Atleast it was not the last time i checked

I had to removed them 1 year ago



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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 08:42
Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

What i did not think that there was any AYREON tracks on this site? Atleast it was not the last time i checked

I had to removed them 1 year ago

But then they allow it if they where streamed?



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Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 08:44
Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:


Just out of interest, how many record companies have complained about the mp3s being here?

3

-> InsideOut for AYREON

-> Cuneiforms

-> the other is a a private label record store

What i did not think that there was any AYREON tracks on this site? Atleast it was not the last time i checked



I've never seen any Ayreon tracks here.  If they had been here, I would have downloaded them .  Of course, the complaint could have come in before I joined.

I know you've probably considered this M@X, but couldn't you just remove the mp3s of those labels that have complained, and leave the rest here?  I would have thought that it would mean that only a small percentage of the bands featured here would be affected.  This means that people like me who can't stream the files would still have access to them (Marillion playlist still loading after 5 hours).


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Posted By: Prog-Brazil
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 08:44
Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

[QUOTE=maidenrulez]

What i did not think that there was any AYREON tracks on this site? Atleast it was not the last time i checked

I had to removed them 1 year ago

Yes, I remember it. There was a topic about it..



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Posted By: The Mister
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 08:48
Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

The Streaming system will improve with time , thanks for your patience guys !

List of coming features:

  • Random playlist by genre, bands ( radio like )
  • Stream only new mp3 added
  • Create a playlist
  • Share your playlist
  • Stream While you navigate through site
  • ...

Please post any suggestions

I am enthused about the above considered improvements.  Like the vast majority here, I personally preferred downloads.  I used WinMediaPlayer and RealJukebox to create playlists, etc.

Random playlist / genre playlist / playlist by date-added / custom playlists are all great features.  I would add playlist by year released as well, if practical.  Of course, that could be prone to error what with re-releases and compilations, but it could work.

For those of us who listen @ work with T1/T2 or @ home with high-speed internet, all of this is great.  I will probably benefit from it in the long run.  I do, however, sympathize with those who are stuck on dialup and don't have a desk job with access to broadband technology.

On a related note, I had been downloading MP3s from here alphabetically for the last month... I had merely gotten through most of the A's. :-(



Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 08:48

AMAZON DOES 30 SECOND CLIPS, BUT NOT VERY IDEAL FOR Prog.



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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 08:50

Originally posted by Prog-Brazil Prog-Brazil wrote:

I think mp3 in this website was the main reason for news members engage in progressive rock and PA.
Probably PA will be not the most acessed prog-website now...

Well... Actually I never downloaded a single mp3 from the site.  I try to seek information about some obscurer bands that might interest me, and I never managed to find any mp3's from those bands.

But I feel very sorry for those who liked that feature.  So you can't stream music to your computer, unless you have a broadband? How does that feature work?



Posted By: The Mister
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 08:55
Originally posted by Eetu Pellonpää Eetu Pellonpää wrote:

So you can't stream music to your computer, unless you have a broadband? How does that feature work?
It's not a "feature".  Simply put, you CAN stream music without broadband, but it takes forever, and you can only listen to bits and pieces of the song in 20-second segments with long pauses between, since the bits and bytes can only be sent to the listener at the rate that the dialup connection is physically able to provide.  If it takes 15 minutes to download a 5 minute track, you will be listening to ~20 seconds of song followed by ~40 seconds of silence followed by the next ~20 seconds of song, etc., for 15 minutes.


Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 08:55

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

This means that people like me who can't stream the files would still have access to them (Marillion playlist still loading after 5 hours).

You cannot load the Marillion playlist ? can you load other band's ?



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Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 09:40
Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

This means that people like me who can't stream the files would still have access to them (Marillion playlist still loading after 5 hours).

You cannot load the Marillion playlist ? can you load other band's ?



I actually hadn't tried other bands, thinking that if the Marillion one wasn't working, none of the others would be.  However, I've now randomly selected a few bands with the following results: the playlists for Nightwish and Porcupine Tree don't load, while the Jethro Tull playlist loads, but I can't get it to play.


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Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 09:46

Download (Stream) Free Italian Symphonic Prog MP3
(Free streaming by Progarchives.com)

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^^ GREY SCREEN RECTANGLE ON THE BROWSER!!!
 It's only a grey screen, what's that about?



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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 10:05

I changed something , pleas retry



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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 10:11
I only used the mp3's on the site as a barometer for music that I wasn't familiar with.Most were dl'd,listened to,and deleted,so I don't mind the streaming at all.I listened to a few tunes this morning and had no problems with the stream,and they started playing instantly.

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Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 10:22
The Marillion playlist now loads, but I can't get it to play anything.

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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 10:50

Your browser is ?



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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 10:50
Your connection speed is ?

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Posted By: krusty
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 11:47
Well, just played Marillion fine using Firefox 1.0.7.

Still not really a fan of streaming but if those mega rich b*st*rds who run record companies feel they are losing SO much money by people downloading a few sample tracks then i guess there isn't really a choice is there...!

A lot of these media companies (TV, Film and Music) will have to adapt to the internet sooner or later.

BTW, I think you did a good job implementing the streaming function, it's one of the better one's I've seen.






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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 11:53

 



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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 12:07
Works fine here  and looks good  but are you going to change the look a bit to fit in with the rest of the page?


Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 12:10

Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Works fine here  and looks good  but are you going to change the look a bit to fit in with the rest of the page?

maybe later ....



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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 15:47
OK, that's cool


Posted By: S Lang
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 16:35

So, Cuneiform objected? Rather silly of them considering that I mail ordered many of their releases in the past and only a few remains in my possession. More importantly, they are amongst the reasons why I won't buy through recommendations anymore - unless I can sample what's on offer....

Sadly, Cuneiform is off my agenda as it is.



Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 19:19
 Of all companies, Cuneiform would be one of the last I'd suspect of objecting to this.

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Posted By: richeym
Date Posted: October 05 2005 at 22:38
at least with streaming i can listen to stuff on the Uni library comps nice and easy. that's about the only benifit though.

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Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 06 2005 at 03:29
Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

Your connection speed is ?


Sorry for not getting back to you M@X, I'd left for home before your messages came through.

I'm using Firefox 1.0.7, so I don't think that's the problem.  The connection speed could be the problem.  I've no idea what it is - I'm working at a university, and using their internet connection, so I suppose it's faster than the average South African connection, but it's not blindingly fast.  Although I was able to listen to Welcome Home from Coheed and Cambria's official site, so I don't know why that works, and PA doesn't.


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Posted By: Bionic Commando
Date Posted: October 06 2005 at 11:34
Can't you simply cater for the complaining labels?  I hear if you snip 10 seconds off a song, that makes it a sample - therefore it's legal.  Could you do that for the bands in question and leave the other bands as it is?


Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 06 2005 at 11:58

Originally posted by Bionic Commando Bionic Commando wrote:

Can't you simply cater for the complaining labels?  I hear if you snip 10 seconds off a song, that makes it a sample - therefore it's legal.  Could you do that for the bands in question and leave the other bands as it is?

There is no such rule ... even a 1 second clip doesn't automatically qualify as a legal sample. Although it's very unlikely that someone would complain about it.



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