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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2005 at 17:22
In CAMEL's live "Pressure Points" it is not listed Lady Fantasy as the very last song performed! That was a great performance!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2005 at 17:50

I don't understand the problem here. The listed albums are just extra information that needs carefull interpretation.

If I read reviews for an unknown album. I like some extra information on the reviewers taste, and this feature does exactly that, since the mentioned albums are mostly the better known albums within the genre, the chances are good I know the mentioned albums, and that tells me something (though not everything) about the album.

Some more obscure albums, will have few ratings and reviews, that has a negative effect on the apropriatness of the mentioned albums, but as more people review the albums, a more cohesive list will appear, since most people do have a fairly specific taste in music.

Basically all information you get, can be used, all you have to do is interpret the given data as what it is.

Don't know if it makes sense, but I did the best I could.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2005 at 03:18

Hi M@x, 

Exellent choice of albums, exept in a court of crimson king. There is a better albums of King Crimson

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2005 at 17:52

I finally figured out how this works, and frankly, it doesn't represent what I would suggest.

Yesterday I wrote a review of Steve Unruh's "Song to the Sky" and the BETA feature showed Guy Manning. This time it worked ads I would expect.

Today I wrote a review on The Underground Railroad's "The Origin of Consciousness." The following came up. I'm don't completely agree with those choices. Furthermore, in the review text, I listed a few bands that I would suggest, such as; Echolyn, Finneus Gauge, Frogg Cafe, Thieves Kitchen and others. Are we only suiggesting these other albums because they have the same "star rating" or because the bands play a similar style of progressive rock?

BETA Prog fans who like THE UNDERGROUND RAILROAD The Origin of Consciousness also like these other bands' albums in the same genre:
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RUSH
Permanent Waves

FM
Black Noise

SYZYGY
The Allegory of Light

MAN ON FIRE
The Undefined Design

SYLVIAN, DAVID
Damage - Live (with Robert Fripp)

RAIN TREE CROW
Rain Tree Crow

GUNN, TREY
The Joy of Molybdenum

GORDIAN KNOT
Emergent

 

 

Personally, I would prefer being able to go in and manually add the bands I think would be appealing to fans of the band I wrote the review about.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2005 at 05:46

I really don't have much to suggest, but to point out another problem:

as you know, some bands' works are scattered around many sub-genres of prog rock, Tangerine Dream, Peter Gabriel, King Crimson, Kraftwerk to name a few... You can even divide TD's '70-'80 period into the number of albums released (minus Rubycon, essentially a Phaedra clone). With so much diversity, it doesn't work most of the time.. For instance, Cyclone and Force Majeure albums are symphonic prog albums, very diverse from the previous ambient conic soundscapes... Recommending a mainstream electronic album, such as Vangelis' Spiral, JMJarre's Magnetic Fields, and even trance-ambient works such as Klaus Schulze's Timewind in these albums' review pages is rahter weird... (not to mention those Kraftwerk works, who, according to TD official site "...is more or less representive of the opposite way to use electronic instruments.")
The same is true for Kraftwerk: first two (with the possible inclusion of Ralf&Florian album) albums are definitive Krautrock masterpieces, yet, the attitude the band took afterwards has absolutely nothing to do... Neither the albums. It might even be better to recommend Krautrock albums in these albums' pages, than to remind more electronic oriented works (the first Kraftwerk album does not even have any "Electronic" element!!!!)

So, I really could not recommend a solution, but point out to a problem to work upon! The rest is up to you!

progressively yours

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Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2005 at 21:18
i noticed the list changes with the additional reviews of new reviewers, and also if you rate high an album of a completely new band in your database of the same genre! so, variety is the key word, guys!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2005 at 14:39

I also noticed something, when I reviewed an album which had no previous ratings. The browser then showed "The person who liked this, likes also...", and ofcourse with titles I had done in the past. There were several which had got only one or two star rating from me...

Could it be possible, that this feature would promote only albums of four and five stars? It's a very good idea still, I have found many nice albums through it! Some were ofcourse dissapointments.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2005 at 14:12
Good point! I had the same thing (and a 2star album is not one I really like). Can this be changed Max?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2005 at 12:39

[Danbo Quote]:

Today I wrote a review on The Underground Railroad's "The Origin of Consciousness." The following came up. I'm don't completely agree with those choices. Furthermore, in the review text, I listed a few bands that I would suggest, such as; Echolyn, Finneus Gauge, Frogg Cafe, Thieves Kitchen and others. Are we only suggesting these other albums because they have the same "star rating" or because the bands play a similar style of progressive rock? [Unquote]

 

I'm with you Danbo, especially when Bill Pohl and Kurt of UR cite themselves, Caravan, and Pohl has a lot of Holdsworthian licks in him. Maybe the more astude and willing reviewer should be responsible  to flag up "if you like this band, then you may care to try........". In that way the occasional band/album not included in the Archives can be recommended. (e.g. T2 for at least one Landberk album - and I have to add,  another Landberk album I have sounds like a U2 clone....)

I just noticed with my review of  Holdsworth/Beck's Thing You see, (completed yesterday), there are 8 albums suggested as secondary listening materials - in some strange ways many of these are in about the right ballpark although not the probable titles I would have picked. And I aware David Cross is having a helluva of time getting Closer Than Skin distributed.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2005 at 17:09
Maybe there could be a way for us to give suggestions ourselves, instead of having it done automatically. Like, when you rate an album, you also select one or more albums that you suggest to people who like this album. What do you think?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2005 at 07:22

^ Good idea!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2005 at 11:56
well, when one looks at the entry for Nik Turner's Sphynx album "Xitintoday", one gets the message "prog fans who liked this album also like" with a link to "Sea Shanties" by High Tide. though it is certainly true I love both albums (I gave both of them 5 stars in my review), they have NOTHING whatever in common at all (except that they are both prog). "Xitintoday" is a very quiet, almost meditative album, while "Sea Shanties" is an absolute rocker and in my opinion the by far heaviest album of 1969. so this feature can be VERY misleading


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2005 at 12:02

That's perfectly ok ... the database is suggesting Sea Shanties because you gave both albums 5 stars. It doesn't say that they're similar, just that some people liked them both.

Generally, such a feature's usefulness depends on how many database entries it can use ...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2005 at 06:48
i think that those albums should be not necessarily from same genre. Bands from different genres can have more similaritys than those wich contains in same one. I mean i think there are more people who likes Jethro Tull and ELP than those who likes JT and The Strawbs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2005 at 17:52
Yeah, but the problem is that the algorythm will THEN advice "Close To The Edge" (and the other classics) on EVERY album page...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2005 at 14:34
I think that the previous system (showing up to 8 albums) was sufficient to give a good idea to compare. 20 is just too much.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2005 at 17:47
Hi to all...

I'm with Joren when he proposes to manually select some interesting albums. This way, we won't get albums we liked from other genres. Of course, each of us has to be consequent and only write similar albums in style and less important, in rating. I say less important in rating because each of us have different tastes, so better to give others the opportunity to hear an album and rate it for themselves.

With time, there'll be a great database of truly similar albums, instead of just albums of the same genre (yes, perhaps we can find a similar album in another genre... Let's prog surprise us all!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2005 at 09:30

manually selecting over 9000 albums is quite a job guys ?

 

any way I droped to 12 the numbers of TOP ALBUM OF THE GENRE

thanks

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2005 at 07:04

The selections add some confusion. If I correctly understand the algorhythm, it refers to albums reviewed by the person posting a review, not to albums ENDORSED? A review can be positive, or less kind.

I'd hate to be seen as one "supposedly" endorsing an album that I've just knocked down, by seeing that I am "also listening - or whatever" to that piece.

I'd rather prefer the description as: " THE ABOVE ALBUMS WERE ALSO REVIEWED BY THE CONTRIBUTOR(S)", or the like.  That would prevent a misunderstanding seen as endorsement. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2005 at 17:50

Apparently the system changed to display the top 12 albums per subgenre, if that's the case it is pretty useless for that list is easily accesible through the top 100 per subgenre list, and a top 25 is given in the subgenre description.

 

Can you please change it back M@X, and perhaps add a link to the subgenre description and top albums per genre. I liked the former thingie better, for that included sometimes the more obscure gems

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