BETA Prog fans who likes () also likes theses sames genre other bands albums:

Please discuss this new features !

Thanks

Snow Dog wrote: Is this for adding new bands to the Archives like Queen etc?

Nice try

Am I correct in thinking someone requested this feature a while back, mailto:M@X - M@X ? It rings a bell.

Anyway it's potentially quite interesting, but would it perhaps be better if it just listed bands(rather than a whole string of albums by the same band)?

How is the correlation made, exactly? Is it based on the number of people who gave ratings of the same, or a higher, star-rating to the different albums? The power of SQL never ceases to amaze me.

A minor point on the English used:

"Prog fans who likes JETHRO TULL Thick As A Brick also likes theses sames genre other bands albums:"

should be changed to something along the lines of:

"Prog fans who like JETHRO TULL Thick As A Brick also like these other bands' albums in the same genre:"

(or, if you were to change the feature to list just band names, something like this: "Prog fans who like JETHRO TULL Thick As A Brick also like these other bands in the same genre:")

I like that a lot Max. I would suggest you limit it to say 3-6 albums, so that it doesn't flood the page.

A minor spelling error at the moment, also like theses sother bands'   should read "..also like these other bands'..."

The idea is great, but i agree with fitzcarraldo, it would be better to list those bands that belong to that "sub genre", not the albums, it really pulls out the dynamic of the page, which is to search for yourself the albums that you want. It's better to have an idea of bands similar style. Also, in some way, this would be a kind of sell out of those albums that are truely great and important in prog history, this would be really diminishing the work of many many others whose music is not at the level, or simply wasn't released "at the time". Overall, list bands, not albums.

Another thing, it kind of interferes with the experience of the viewer, being the size of this feature kind of big and distracting at times when you just want to see the reviews of an album. You should think also in those whose connection is not that fast and the loading may turn kind of annoying.

Just an opinion, but good try! keep on the good work .

Nice try

I had to paste this quote didnt work!

I m not trying anything, I dont want Queen in. I misunderstood the point, but now I get it, and I dont think much of it.

Heres an e.g why!

I looked up Vapor Trails by Rush, and the recomende similar albums were by Kansas and Suchlike. Well wheres the similarity? The bands may be the same genre, but the albums certainly aint!

It means like a trial or test version!

BTW I like it now too, its quite interesting!

very good idea: it allows the listener to explore furthermore the genre. what is the algorythm?

Actually this Beta suggestions are very daring ones , often referring to better known albums when investigating an obscure album.

I wrote this morning a review on Uzva's debut album. They are almost like an acoustic chamber music but meddling in also folk and a bit of jazz. This Beta thing present on the album is :

*BETA Prog fans who like UZVA Tammikuinen Tammela also like these other bands' albums in the same genre:
(based on ratings)

JETHRO TULL Aqualung	JETHRO TULL Thick As A Brick	JETHRO TULL Stand Up	JETHRO TULL Minstrel In The Gallery
JETHRO TULL Heavy Horses	JETHRO TULL Benefit	JETHRO TULL This Was	TRAFFIC John Barleycorn Must Die

If anything when reading up on such an obscure Uzva album , should the recommendations not be equally obscure albums by equally obscure bands, assuming that if you are investigating UZVA, you already know of those well known albums presented here. Not only is it of limited interest but it can affect the credibility of such an approach. Especially if the suggestions are a bit goofy or totally unrelated as it is the case here. Sure Uzva fans will also like TULL but also so many more things that this selection is severly limited. Obviously you are using some form of marthematics to get at this selection within the genre of Folk Prog. Uzva can be likened to ALAMAAILMAN VASARAT , MANEIGE , GATTO MARTE and a few more I forget now as I write.

You are right SEAN TRANE but the current BETA alogorithm search to get at this selection within the same genre.

If I do it for the WHOLE PROG SCENE it is less interesting ...

And it's always the same 3-4 albums (Foxtrot, Selling, The Lamb, In the court , Close to the edge ... )

So that's why I make it in the SAME GENRE..

Any suggestion exept that we could only list BAND NAME instead of albums...

Thanks...

I'm afraid there's a big mistake.

I reviewed Edge's album Suction 8 and one of the related albums is Antonius Rex (which I have also reviewed) which has absolutely nothing to do with Edge.

Please get Antonius Rex off Edge's page. This is completely false and I could even say damaging and insulting to Edge's music.

This is very strange indeed.

I've discovered that the related albums given are in fact albums I've also reviewed. Surely this can't be a good enough reason !!!

I've checked a couple of them and the related albums given are absolutely wrong.

I don't understand the problem here. The listed albums are just extra information that needs carefull interpretation.

If I read reviews for an unknown album. I like some extra information on the reviewers taste, and this feature does exactly that, since the mentioned albums are mostly the better known albums within the genre, the chances are good I know the mentioned albums, and that tells me something (though not everything) about the album.

Some more obscure albums, will have few ratings and reviews, that has a negative effect on the apropriatness of the mentioned albums, but as more people review the albums, a more cohesive list will appear, since most people do have a fairly specific taste in music.

Basically all information you get, can be used, all you have to do is interpret the given data as what it is.

Don't know if it makes sense, but I did the best I could.

Hi M@x, 

Exellent choice of albums, exept in a court of crimson king. There is a better albums of King Crimson

I finally figured out how this works, and frankly, it doesn't represent what I would suggest.

Yesterday I wrote a review of Steve Unruh's "Song to the Sky" and the BETA feature showed Guy Manning. This time it worked ads I would expect.

Today I wrote a review on The Underground Railroad's "The Origin of Consciousness." The following came up. I'm don't completely agree with those choices. Furthermore, in the review text, I listed a few bands that I would suggest, such as; Echolyn, Finneus Gauge, Frogg Cafe, Thieves Kitchen and others. Are we only suiggesting these other albums because they have the same "star rating" or because the bands play a similar style of progressive rock?

BETA Prog fans who like THE UNDERGROUND RAILROAD The Origin of Consciousness also like these other bands' albums in the same genre:
(based on ratings)

RUSH Permanent Waves	FM Black Noise	SYZYGY The Allegory of Light	MAN ON FIRE The Undefined Design
SYLVIAN, DAVID Damage - Live (with Robert Fripp)	RAIN TREE CROW Rain Tree Crow	GUNN, TREY The Joy of Molybdenum	GORDIAN KNOT Emergent

Personally, I would prefer being able to go in and manually add the bands I think would be appealing to fans of the band I wrote the review about.

I really don't have much to suggest, but to point out another problem:

as you know, some bands' works are scattered around many sub-genres of prog rock, Tangerine Dream, Peter Gabriel, King Crimson, Kraftwerk to name a few... You can even divide TD's '70-'80 period into the number of albums released (minus Rubycon, essentially a Phaedra clone). With so much diversity, it doesn't work most of the time.. For instance, Cyclone and Force Majeure albums are symphonic prog albums, very diverse from the previous ambient conic soundscapes... Recommending a mainstream electronic album, such as Vangelis' Spiral, JMJarre's Magnetic Fields, and even trance-ambient works such as Klaus Schulze's Timewind in these albums' review pages is rahter weird... (not to mention those Kraftwerk works, who, according to TD official site "...is more or less representive of the opposite way to use electronic instruments.")
The same is true for Kraftwerk: first two (with the possible inclusion of Ralf&Florian album) albums are definitive Krautrock masterpieces, yet, the attitude the band took afterwards has absolutely nothing to do... Neither the albums. It might even be better to recommend Krautrock albums in these albums' pages, than to remind more electronic oriented works (the first Kraftwerk album does not even have any "Electronic" element!!!!)

So, I really could not recommend a solution, but point out to a problem to work upon! The rest is up to you!

progressively yours

I also noticed something, when I reviewed an album which had no previous ratings. The browser then showed "The person who liked this, likes also...", and ofcourse with titles I had done in the past. There were several which had got only one or two star rating from me...

Could it be possible, that this feature would promote only albums of four and five stars? It's a very good idea still, I have found many nice albums through it! Some were ofcourse dissapointments.

[Danbo Quote]:

Today I wrote a review on The Underground Railroad's "The Origin of Consciousness." The following came up. I'm don't completely agree with those choices. Furthermore, in the review text, I listed a few bands that I would suggest, such as; Echolyn, Finneus Gauge, Frogg Cafe, Thieves Kitchen and others. Are we only suggesting these other albums because they have the same "star rating" or because the bands play a similar style of progressive rock? [Unquote]

I'm with you Danbo, especially when Bill Pohl and Kurt of UR cite themselves, Caravan, and Pohl has a lot of Holdsworthian licks in him. Maybe the more astude and willing reviewer should be responsible  to flag up "if you like this band, then you may care to try........". In that way the occasional band/album not included in the Archives can be recommended. (e.g. T2 for at least one Landberk album - and I have to add,  another Landberk album I have sounds like a U2 clone....)

I just noticed with my review of  Holdsworth/Beck's Thing You see, (completed yesterday), there are 8 albums suggested as secondary listening materials - in some strange ways many of these are in about the right ballpark although not the probable titles I would have picked. And I aware David Cross is having a helluva of time getting Closer Than Skin distributed.

^ Good idea!

That's perfectly ok ... the database is suggesting Sea Shanties because you gave both albums 5 stars. It doesn't say that they're similar, just that some people liked them both.

Generally, such a feature's usefulness depends on how many database entries it can use ...

manually selecting over 9000 albums is quite a job guys ?

any way I droped to 12 the numbers of TOP ALBUM OF THE GENRE

thanks

The selections add some confusion. If I correctly understand the algorhythm, it refers to albums reviewed by the person posting a review, not to albums ENDORSED? A review can be positive, or less kind.

I'd hate to be seen as one "supposedly" endorsing an album that I've just knocked down, by seeing that I am "also listening - or whatever" to that piece.

I'd rather prefer the description as: " THE ABOVE ALBUMS WERE ALSO REVIEWED BY THE CONTRIBUTOR(S)", or the like.  That would prevent a misunderstanding seen as endorsement. 

Apparently the system changed to display the top 12 albums per subgenre, if that's the case it is pretty useless for that list is easily accesible through the top 100 per subgenre list, and a top 25 is given in the subgenre description.

Can you please change it back mailto:M@X - M@X , and perhaps add a link to the subgenre description and top albums per genre. I liked the former thingie better, for that included sometimes the more obscure gems

Sometimes it works perfectly, but sometimes results are unexpected (for example, it is not obvious that URIAH HEEP fans will like RUSH). Anyway useful feature.

Now it shows only the 12 most highly rated aöbums in the genre...

http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=1827"> YES Close to the Edge	http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=1510"> GENESIS Selling England By The Pound	http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=1903"> KING CRIMSON In the Court of the Crimson King	http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=2"> GENESIS Foxtrot
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=1829"> YES Relayer	http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=1825"> YES Fragile	http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=1511"> GENESIS The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway	http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=1911"> KING CRIMSON Red
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=3"> GENESIS Nursery Cryme	http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=328"> CAMEL Mirage	http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=1826"> YES The YES Album	http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=329"> CAMEL The Snow Goose

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PLEASE LET'S GET RID OF THIS PHENOMENON!

P L E A S E . It's so boring and useless.

Nice weekend to you all. I'm off now.

Also, wouldn't it be better to show "the top rated albums by 12 top rated bands of this genre"? Now there's 4 albums by YES, 4 albums by GENESIS, 2 albums by KING CRIMSON and 2 albums by CAMEL. Could there be only a one most rated album by one band?

Or could there be a be genre recommendations which admins and collabs would have voted?

It's a pity the feature has been removed.

Though it didn't work perfectly, but helped to find something new, at least for me.

I think they should be re-instated.

This site is for everyone,not just Prog Connoisseurs. The suggestions are a key part of spreading the word.