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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 20:07

I guess I can't blame anyone for thinking DT15 is me, I almost pissed my pants when I read this thread, it sounds exactly like one of my rants.

DT15 get your own writing style!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 20:01
People can argue that Yes is better than DT or DT is better than Yes, but at the end of the day it all comes down to taste.  Besides, we all know the most technically brilliant band is the Sex Pistols.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 19:53
I know I'm a genius
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 19:36
Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Wow, you're ignorant I LOVE Dream Theater, and Pain Of Salvation, and Opeth but classic prog is the best... They influenced DT. If it wasn't for Yes and Genesis, there would be no Dream Theater. DT will never make anything nearly as great or influential as CTTE. Or Foxtrot. The other thing is that you probably just can't get into them, but that's something I would be ashamed of, not announce it publicly. And to your knowledge, most educated musicians respect and accredit the classics. Ask any member of Dream Theater what they think of classic prog. Mike said on the 5 Years In A LIVEtime DVD that "One of our main influences is Yes"... I can hear Yes, Genesis, and Pink Floyd in DT's music. For example, the intro to Octavarium is a tribute to Shine on. Try to imagine Dream Theater without any classic prog influences. I can't. Because there would be no DT. You make an impression of an ignorant, close minded person. So think about it.

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There's no reason for anyone to argue in this topic anymore.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 18:12

Wow, you're ignorant I LOVE Dream Theater, and Pain Of Salvation, and Opeth but classic prog is the best... They influenced DT. If it wasn't for Yes and Genesis, there would be no Dream Theater. DT will never make anything nearly as great or influential as CTTE. Or Foxtrot. The other thing is that you probably just can't get into them, but that's something I would be ashamed of, not announce it publicly. And to your knowledge, most educated musicians respect and accredit the classics. Ask any member of Dream Theater what they think of classic prog. Mike said on the 5 Years In A LIVEtime DVD that "One of our main influences is Yes"... I can hear Yes, Genesis, and Pink Floyd in DT's music. For example, the intro to Octavarium is a tribute to Shine on. Try to imagine Dream Theater without any classic prog influences. I can't. Because there would be no DT. You make an impression of an ignorant, close minded person. So think about it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 18:11
Must there always be a newie with this stupid opinions?...ok, yes...whatever, Dream Theater is thousend times better than KC, Yes and Genesis all together...is that what you want to hear?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 18:01
Heh, someone is a little disrespectful to the music that gave birth to Dream Theater and all those other "Prog Metal" bands.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:31
Originally posted by DT15 DT15 wrote:

I am sick and tired of listening to you old folk talk about how you don't enjoy quality acts such as Dream Theater. One reviewer said it's not to his taste...ok then that's fine. So let me have my say now. If i want to fall asleep or have a good laugh, I'll listen to Yes or Genesis or Pink Floyd (etc). C'mon you oldies...this music is not as great as you all say it is. I am a 25 year old bachelor of music composition graduate and have been playing the keyboard, guitar and drums for a little over 10 yrs, so I AM a musician, unlike most of you. But instead of going into a lengthy essay about why this music is just plain boring, I'll just do what so many of you people do and say 'it's not to my taste'. So there you have it, I voiced my opinion and I don't care if you don't care but I am honest to God when I say that crappy old school prog rock bores me to tears and no matter how many times I listen to Yes' 'Close to the Edge', I will never understand why you guys get boners over it. The music is nothing earth shattering. But it's fine, if you oldies get so excited and this sorta stuff makes your hair stand up...well that's fine...but seriously now, just make sure you know there are educated musicians like myself who simply find it all boring.

Steve.

 

PS: I posted this on the front page but I guess no one reads it.

 

We should enjoy whatever we want to.If you narrow your own music listening you are only 'cutting off your nose to spite your own face'.Utterly pointless but at the end of the day its no skin off my nose so it matters not.

btw I've got several DT albums and have seen them live twice so I guess I like them.But if others don't that is their business.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:14
Originally posted by gbi.bytos gbi.bytos wrote:

I've just read the first post, and, without having read the others, I just want to reply.

I'm 20.

I played the guitar for some years now - because it seems to DT15 that playing of an instrument gives you the right to protest.

My favorite bands are: IQ, Marillion, Arena, Pendragon, Genesis, Camel, Pink Floyd. And, Dream Theater.

Tell me - the first time I heard "Close to the edge", I felt that I didn't understand anything of that music. It was like that for "A change of season too".

Petrucci considers Steve Howe as his master.

Lately, having been to a Dream Theater concert in Paris, I heard the band play "Heart of the sunrise" as an encore. Oh, Rothery and Hogarth, from Marillion, shall I precise, have been long-time friends with Portnoy and Petrucci.

The list could be long, I guess.

I would just say some last words. If Genesis, Yes, and King Crimson had not been there, there wouldn't have been a Dream Theater. That is not even a reason to call those early bands "oldies".

Sorry if I'm intolerant with your thoughts... I happen to be someone who knows how to appreciate all that music - if you don't like it, don't listen to it. Let's say I need at least 3 or 4 month to discover an album in its entirety...

I think he's got a great point ! You absolutely love a band that absolutely love a band that you think is almost crap and oldies !! Even if your idol love and is inspire by Howe, how can you say Yes are bad ! And if you say so, then how can you explain your "idol" (maybe not, but someone your like a lot) love Howe !! You make no sense DT.

And yes, DT love Yes, tour with them, are inspire by them, play cover of them live, and listen to them...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:01

"Sitting in a room with a 5-CD changer and listening to Big Generater, Talk, Union, and Open Your Eyes over and over for 16 hours straight."

 

If you do that and live to tell about it, you're a better man than me!  The idea of playing Talk, Union and Open Your Eyes (No serious problems with BG here) for 16 straight hours is one of the most painful methods of suicide that I can envision. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:40

I am thinking of doing an experiment:

Sitting in a room with a 5-CD changer and listening to Big Generater, Talk, Union, and Open Your Eyes over and over for 16 hours straight.

Do you think this will make me like these albums more or dislike them more than I already do?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:35
I can't believe this topic is 5 pages long!  Can't we all just get along?!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:32
Originally posted by DT15 DT15 wrote:

Sharier, once again, of course I gave the albums one
star to make myself heard. I already explained that. and once more, I will
be sharing with you my real reviews now that I have your attention. If 3
people would like to hear my real reviews then I will write them up and
post them. But which album do you want me to review. I'd prefer to
review Yes' close the the edge, but it's up to you.


Steve




DT15, do you think you can be any more egotistical or immature than you
seem to be? With statements like, "... now that I have your attention," and
"... to make myself heard," I'm pretty sure you haven't done a really good
job of gaining the respect of people on this site. And who cares whether
you're a musician. What does that have to do with anything? I too am a
musician ... a drummer for nearly 30 years ... and I HATE Dream Theater.
Being a musician, whether novice or pro, good or bad, has absolutely
nothing to do with one's musical likes and dislikes. Nor does it qualify
you in any way, shape, or form to say one style of music is good while
another style bad.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:11
Originally posted by gbi.bytos gbi.bytos wrote:

I've just read the first post, and, without having read the others, I just want to reply.


I'm 20.


I played the guitar for some years now - because it seems to DT15 that playing of an instrument gives you the right to protest.


My favorite bands are: IQ, Marillion, Arena, Pendragon, Genesis, Camel, Pink Floyd. And, Dream Theater.


Tell me - the first time I heard "Close to the edge", I felt that I didn't understand anything of that music. It was like that for "A change of season too".


Petrucci considers Steve Howe as his master.


Lately, having been to a Dream Theater concert in Paris, I heard the band play "Heart of the sunrise" as an encore. Oh, Rothery and Hogarth, from Marillion, shall I precise, have been long-time friends with Portnoy and Petrucci.


The list could be long, I guess.


I would just say some last words. If Genesis, Yes, and King Crimson had not been there, there wouldn't have been a Dream Theater. That is not even a reason to call those early bands "oldies".


Sorry if I'm intolerant with your thoughts... I happen to be someone who knows how to appreciate all that music - if you don't like it, don't listen to it. Let's say I need at least 3 or 4 month to discover an album in its entirety...




i agree
Originally posted by darkshade:

Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:05

I'm studying music in college and have been a musician for 8 years. Even though I think Dream Theater and Yes are both great for me I'll always choose Yes. Personally I don't see how a Dream Theater fan could bash Yes. Dream Theater have named Yes as one of their main influences and they also covered Yes songs on occasion.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 15:47
dt15 fails at life

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 15:47

I've just read the first post, and, without having read the others, I just want to reply.

I'm 20.

I played the guitar for some years now - because it seems to DT15 that playing of an instrument gives you the right to protest.

My favorite bands are: IQ, Marillion, Arena, Pendragon, Genesis, Camel, Pink Floyd. And, Dream Theater.

Tell me - the first time I heard "Close to the edge", I felt that I didn't understand anything of that music. It was like that for "A change of season too".

Petrucci considers Steve Howe as his master.

Lately, having been to a Dream Theater concert in Paris, I heard the band play "Heart of the sunrise" as an encore. Oh, Rothery and Hogarth, from Marillion, shall I precise, have been long-time friends with Portnoy and Petrucci.

The list could be long, I guess.

I would just say some last words. If Genesis, Yes, and King Crimson had not been there, there wouldn't have been a Dream Theater. That is not even a reason to call those early bands "oldies".

Sorry if I'm intolerant with your thoughts... I happen to be someone who knows how to appreciate all that music - if you don't like it, don't listen to it. Let's say I need at least 3 or 4 month to discover an album in its entirety...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 15:12
Originally posted by bobbyross73 bobbyross73 wrote:

I am a musician and sometimes the best judge for music is a non-musician. Because they think about the music as a whole. Most musicians (myself included) tend to hear more of the details and thereby sometimes do not see the bigger picture. At least that's what I think....



I find the whole discussion pointless, but this reply is great: you're absolutely right. I, and I am a musician, sometimes discover myself in searching for music which is not good, but only tasteful from a musicianship point of view. Doing this, too many times I excluded from my listenings great bands for, to make two important examples, not having keyboards or not being "progressive" (when sometimes even simple songs can be great...maybe ;)).

About the topic, I like DT and find them brilliant (until 6doit, well). But also like, in a total different way, prog rock - which IS important, however, to understand DT.
I could not be the best fan of YES (I'm listening at Close to the Edge right now and don't find it marvellous), but I can understand their importance.
DT15 cannot, but I am very curious about reading his literary efforts about destroying this band and the whole prog rock movement. Until now I only read whinings.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 15:02
Hello seeker! Now don't feel alone here in the New Age,
because there's a seeker born every minute.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 15:00
People also should be nicer and realize that everyone has different musical tastes... (Yes, even here)
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