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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:19

I know its better to ignore this attention-seeking stuff, but please stop using the "real musician" joke. I'm quite certain that the members of the bands you condemned with your "reviews" are much more accomplished than you'll ever be (and i wont be surprised if you turn out to be some 14 year old without any experience in music). I also happen to think that many albums considered to be prog classics are not the best works in the genre, but i'm not whining about it

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:24
Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

I love Yes and I love Dream Theater too. Dream Theater are great musicians and so are Yes. Obviously Dream Theater are at the forefront with their musical abilities but, as it has been said many times on this site, just showing how well you can play does not necessarily mean that good music will result. There are many trained musicians on this website who love classic prog.

Excellent but obvious post Bob. I am not saying ' OI DT ARE THE BEST BAND EVERYONE LOVE THEMMMMMM' . I am actually maturely willing to discuss to people on this site my opinions and analysis on bands such as DT and Yes, and comparing the two musically.

Oh and btw, I only used DT as an example, but yes I do like them. I am certaintly not a fan boy.

I don't enjoy that many rock bands sadly, this is why I stick to film music and Classical music. But that isn't to say I don't know a fair deal about rock and all its many facets.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:25

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In anticipation of more informed reviews of albums you like and dont like...

Your musical ability only enables you to criticize music at a technical level. Music is a form of art at the end of the day, and whether or not art has any worth is down to it's audience and the effect it has on them. Artists like Yes, Genesis and Dream Theater are all of equal worth for this reason, although they are clearly not ALL to everyones taste. Express your views in a balanced way and you will make friends round here easily, jump in feet first, arrogantly rubbishing artists without foundation and you will find the opposite.

You do have our attention, but as has been pointed out, you went about it the wrong way. I would like to read your real reviews of any album you choose. Good reviews get peoples attention too, you know...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:25
Originally posted by DT15 DT15 wrote:

Originally posted by Under Under wrote:

Originally posted by DT15 DT15 wrote:

Sharier, once again, of course I gave the albums one star to make myself heard. I already explained that. and once more, I will be sharing with you my real reviews now that I have your attention. If 3 people would like to hear my real reviews then I will write them up and post them. But which album do you want me to review. I'd prefer to review Yes' close the the edge, but it's up to you.

Steve

I cannot wait to read your reviews.

I think I cancel my plans for the weekend. What a joy.

Let me think. I would kindly ask you to review something of VDGG, something of IQ, something of Italiian prog and of course all the albums of Dream Theater.
I will log in saturday morning 9 AM. I know this will be a suitable deadline for you.

 

Sorry if I came across as arrogant. All i'm saying is that someone asked me to post a real review and I said I would. I do believe you're being more immature than me.

PS: what makes you think this is my first day here. I have been going to this site for around a year-2 yrs

I am just a mirror. No more, no less.
You are not an outcast. At this moment you are just a simple victim of your own actions.
But hey, tomorrow that could be me.

OK serious. If you really think your reviews are worth reading, I will read one. But as a starter, start with something from the 60ties. Just to proof you can write a decent review of something old.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:25
Originally posted by DT15 DT15 wrote:

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by DT15 DT15 wrote:

I will be sharing with you my real reviews now that I have your attention.



And what exactly is so special about your reviews that you have to make such a show about it?  What makes you more qualified than the hundreds of other people who have reviewed albums on this site?  If you don't like Yes or Genesis, then it's very easy to create a forum topic expressing your view.  The way you did it is completely inappropriate.

Thx for the question Citanul.

When did I ever say my reviews were so special? Someone asked me to explain why and I agreed.

And for the 10th time, I know it was inapporprate, that was the whole point. Look what I've started now. If I didn't do what I did there would be this much commotion and I enjoy commotion. Are you going to discredit my personality now?

And no, how do you know this my first day as a forum member?

 

Right under your name it says....Joined Oct 4,2005.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:25
Originally posted by Pafnutij Pafnutij wrote:

I know its better to ignore this attention-seeking stuff, but please stop using the "real musician" joke. I'm quite certain that the members of the bands you condemned with your "reviews" are much more accomplished than you'll ever be (and i wont be surprised if you turn out to be some 14 year old without any experience in music). I also happen to think that many albums considered to be prog classics are not the best works in the genre, but i'm not whining about it

How on earth did you come to the conclusion that I'm whining?

Oh and thanks for the oracle prophecy

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:26

Some people like Yes, some don't. Some people like prog-metal and some don't. It's not a problem, but there's no need to go sl*gging something off as "crappy" just because you don't like it.

I don't like prog-metal but I don't sl*g it off. There's nothing wrong with it, it's just not to my taste.

"Close to the edge" is number one in the PA chart, so it can't be that bad.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:26
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by DT15 DT15 wrote:

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by DT15 DT15 wrote:

I will be sharing with you my real reviews now that I have your attention.



And what exactly is so special about your reviews that you have to make such a show about it?  What makes you more qualified than the hundreds of other people who have reviewed albums on this site?  If you don't like Yes or Genesis, then it's very easy to create a forum topic expressing your view.  The way you did it is completely inappropriate.

Thx for the question Citanul.

When did I ever say my reviews were so special? Someone asked me to explain why and I agreed.

And for the 10th time, I know it was inapporprate, that was the whole point. Look what I've started now. If I didn't do what I did there would be this much commotion and I enjoy commotion. Are you going to discredit my personality now?

And no, how do you know this my first day as a forum member?

 

Right under your name it says....Joined Oct 4,2005.

 

Right, so you're saying it's impossible for me to have several names?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:29
Originally posted by DT15 DT15 wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by DT15 DT15 wrote:

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by DT15 DT15 wrote:

I will be sharing with you my real reviews now that I have your attention.



And what exactly is so special about your reviews that you have to make such a show about it?  What makes you more qualified than the hundreds of other people who have reviewed albums on this site?  If you don't like Yes or Genesis, then it's very easy to create a forum topic expressing your view.  The way you did it is completely inappropriate.

Thx for the question Citanul.

When did I ever say my reviews were so special? Someone asked me to explain why and I agreed.

And for the 10th time, I know it was inapporprate, that was the whole point. Look what I've started now. If I didn't do what I did there would be this much commotion and I enjoy commotion. Are you going to discredit my personality now?

And no, how do you know this my first day as a forum member?

 

Right under your name it says....Joined Oct 4,2005.

 

Right, so you're saying it's impossible for me to have several names?

You do know that multiple identities are a huge NO-NO here,don't you???????????



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:29
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Some people like Yes, some don't. Some people like prog-metal and some don't. It's not a problem, but there's no need to go sl*gging something off as "crappy" just because you don't like it.

I don't like prog-metal but I don't sl*g it off. There's nothing wrong with it, it's just not to my taste.

"Close to the edge" is number one in the PA chart, so it can't be that bad.

 

That is EXACTLY my point. Please read my first post again. To explain again, I'm not slogging. I am critically and musically analysing and basing my judgement on that.

Oh and as a side note, I don't think i ever said I didn't like it. I might actually enjoy Yes. All I have said so far is that I don't enjoy it from a MUSICAL perpective.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:29

It has been quite shocking the way you promoted your point of view DT. And IMO it is  remarkable the equilibrated answer of the Collaborators. I believe that it would be quite difficult for you to be taken any serious after your exploit.

The fact that annoyed me was not about yours like/dislikes, but  that you put some kind of authority because you are a composition graduated.

I can accept from you the experience and knowledge aquired during your studies and come with technical analysis of how challenging or not are some Classic pieces of progressive music. I can accept also a technical comparition about groups, in terms of use of contemporary musical theory. But is there any conceptualization about music being "boring" or interesting" ?

In my point of seeing this was an unnecessary stating meant to show off your presumption.

At least I felt it in this way. Musicians play music. Listeners listen to it. Nor one or the other are superior,both are educated. With or without Academy. Just a matter of respect.

I studied music in my own way

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:30

OK, peace, everyone, please.

Welcome to the site DT. It seems you got all the attention you wanted and a little bit more.

No point in repeating what the others have said here. Don't get worked up about it, just listen to their advice and don't go for the shock treatment anymore, ok?

I'll read your reviews. Enjoy your stay.

Signing off,

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:31
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

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In anticipation of more informed reviews of albums you like and dont like...

Your musical ability only enables you to criticize music at a technical level. Music is a form of art at the end of the day, and whether or not art has any worth is down to it's audience and the effect it has on them. Artists like Yes, Genesis and Dream Theater are all of equal worth for this reason, although they are clearly not ALL to everyones taste. Express your views in a balanced way and you will make friends round here easily, jump in feet first, arrogantly rubbishing artists without foundation and you will find the opposite.

You do have our attention, but as has been pointed out, you went about it the wrong way. I would like to read your real reviews of any album you choose. Good reviews get peoples attention too, you know...

Do you think I actually am not aware of that?

Please get it out of your minds that I'm an amateur reviewer or musician please. Maybe I should have introduced myself formally. But arrogance is a factor

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:32
Originally posted by DT15 DT15 wrote:

Originally posted by Pafnutij Pafnutij wrote:

I know its better to ignore this attention-seeking stuff, but please stop using the "real musician" joke. I'm quite certain that the members of the bands you condemned with your "reviews" are much more accomplished than you'll ever be (and i wont be surprised if you turn out to be some 14 year old without any experience in music). I also happen to think that many albums considered to be prog classics are not the best works in the genre, but i'm not whining about it

How on earth did you come to the conclusion that I'm whining?

because you're obviously frustrated that everyone else is too stupid to understand the sheer brilliance of DT and the lameness of Yes, Genesis and the rest.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:35
Originally posted by thrang theng thrang theng wrote:

It has been quite shocking the way you promoted your point of view DT. And IMO it is  remarkable the equilibrated answer of the Collaborators. I believe that it would be quite difficult for you to be taken any serious after your exploit.

The fact that annoyed me was not about yours like/dislikes, but  that you put some kind of authority because you are a composition graduated.

I can accept from you the experience and knowledge aquired during your studies and come with technical analysis of how challenging or not are some Classic pieces of progressive music. I can accept also a technical comparition about groups, in terms of use of contemporary musical theory. But is there any conceptualization about music being "boring" or interesting" ?

In my point of seeing this was an unnecessary stating meant to show off your presumption.

At least I felt it in this way. Musicians play music. Listeners listen to it. Nor one or the other are superior,both are educated. With or without Academy. Just a matter of respect.

I studied music in my own way

 

 

I'm sorry, do I really have to explain myself again. sigh.

ok for the last time: my first post was a joke to grab attention. Of course I can't PROVE something is boring.

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:37

Although it is quit relieving this tomato throwing thread, I fear that this will lead to DT 15 becoming a senior member with over 1000 posts in one day and becoming the successor of Maani!

 

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Originally posted by DT15 DT15 wrote:

[But arrogance is a factor

A factor of what? Have you read my previous post?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:39
Originally posted by Under Under wrote:

Although it is quit relieving this tomato throwing thread, I fear that this will lead to DT 15 becoming a senior member with over 1000 posts in one day and becoming the successor of Maani!

 

haha. ok time to write my first critical analysis on close to the edge.

Thanks for the attention guys...

 

Oh and for the guy who thinks im whining. Read my post preceding this one...carefully!

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:39
Originally posted by Under Under wrote:

Although it is quit relieving this tomato throwing thread, I fear that this will lead to DT 15 becoming a senior member with over 1000 posts in one day and becoming the successor of Maani!

 



Yes, he'll soon be in the 6,000 club.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:39

As soon as I finish to write a post there are hundreds of others before it....

You sayed that you have been here beforeMaybe you are ...OFUR???

 

OOOOOOFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRR is back!!!!!

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