Triumph?! Are you kidding me?!?

Just saw NEL NOME DEL PROG's review of "The Sport of Kings", and I must say I'm shocked!  Triumph as prog?!

I pretty much pooh-poohed the whiners who complained about The Residents, Queen, and Styx being in this site's archives.  Frankly, I grew up in the 70's and those of us who lived in the mainstream heartland of the U.S. at least considered them progressive (compared to Paper Lace, Starland Vocal Band, Wings, Greg Kihn Band, Orleans, Journey, Scorpions, Def Leppard, Molly Hatchet, ....... you get the picture).  So they'll never measure up to a good-old pretentious nod to Fifth of Firth (whatever the heck that damn song is supposed to be about...).  But we don't have room to acknowledge Led Zeppelin, Hendrix, or Rainbow? (and don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting they should be in progarchives)......

But TRIUMPH!?  I mean, did anybody who was involved in deciding this one actually live in the 70's and 80's?  These guys practically invented hair-band arena rock!  Why not just reserve a spot for Whitesnake and Quiet Riot too?  How is it that we can have the guys who penned the inspiring -

"You got no right to make me wait,
We better talk, girl, before it gets too late,
I never ever thought you could be so unkind,
Won't you lay it on the line?"

But not the ones who brought us kashmir and Black Dog, or the virtuosity that was Jimi Hendrix?

I'm so confused!

Useful_Idiot wrote: I suppose the fact that they pretty much sound exactly like Rush was enough to get them a nod under prog related.  I wouldn't have supported it either had it been my decision, but oh well.

Retrovertigo added them as Art Rock,someone changed them to Prog-Related.()

So,they only qualify as prog-related.They arent Prog and we arent saying they are.Prog-related why not? If it draws non-prog initiates to the forum it's a good thing isnt it?

Triumph to Dream Theater to Porcupine Tree to Pink Floyd. Three simple steps and another Classic Prog Band gets new fans.....  

UI,apart from the odd very early track-Blinding Light Show-musically they are nothing like Rush.

Actually, I grew up in the '70s, liked most Triumph and, when I saw them listed at this website, never thought twice about it. Now Styx, Queen, Boston and these sorts of '70s band, those I wondered about. I mean, once you include those, it's a short slippery ride to inlclusion of Foghat, Foreigner, the Police, Ted Nugent, the Ramones, the Sex Pistols, Public Enemy, Frank Sinatra,...well you see my point.

But there's something about Triumph's best stuff that merits it's inclusion. "Fight the good Fight."

Fearless wrote: Tony R wrote: Useful_Idiot wrote: I suppose the fact that they pretty much sound exactly like Rush was enough to get them a nod under prog related.  I wouldn't have supported it either had it been my decision, but oh well. Retrovertigo added them as Art Rock,someone changed them to Prog-Related.() So,they only qualify as prog-related.They arent Prog and we arent saying they are.Prog-related why not? If it draws non-prog initiates to the forum it's a good thing isnt it?     Does this mean that Led Zeppelin, the Who, Rainbow, Hendrix, et al will be added soon? It seems to me that the sites definition of what is or is not "progressive" is becoming more and more liberal (not a bad thing at all).

Prog-Related is not Prog Rock...but it is a gateway to Prog and thus these bands inclusion is critical to the growth and above-all the usefulness of the Site as the Number One Prog Rock Reference Facility.

I firmly believe in this.

Over the next six to twelve months those bands will be added.As Prog-Related or Proto Prog.This does not mean that Prog Archives believes these bands are Prog,merely that we recognise the link.

Anyone who thinks we are selling out or becoming liberal is ignoring the "evangelical" potential of adding these bands.

Spread The Word!!!

We want Prog Rock to be alive in the next millennium.

The Prog Lounge is for discussion of Prog Bands.If we can enforce this without being too dogmatic then I dont see the discussion of Prog Bands being diluted or polluted in any way!

Dont worry.

Make it "Hot Time on This City Tonight". 

No wait, there goes your advertising scheme......

Oh well, cat's out of the bag.   Or, "oot" of the bag as they say up north....

Alright bluetailcry, back to the serious stuff....

ClemofNazareth wrote: Make it "Hot Time on This City Tonight".  No wait, there goes your advertising scheme...... Oh well, cat's out of the bag.   Or, "oot" of the bag as they say up north....   Alright bluetailcry, back to the serious stuff....

I'm not a real Triumph fan, but early Triumph -- I believe -- was more, how do I say it, thoughtfully created, than some of the later stuff. It aspired to more than, say, the "No-no Song." Sort of like early Journey, before the complete and utter sell-out.

At least that's how I remember it in those lazy, hazy days of the mid-70s. I mean we'd hear Triumph in between PFM and Led Zeppelin and go, not bad, like the solo, like the lyrics, lead singer is good, good serious rock.

Then something like "Hair of the Dog" would come on, and we'd go wild...

TheProgtologist wrote: Triumph......the BS just doesn't stop piling up. This proto prog/prog related classification is a load of crap.Almost any band could be added under prog related.I think it is watering down the best prog rock resource on the net,and don't really like it.

Whoa, dude, you don't have to sugar-coat it. Just tell us what you really think...