Triumph?! Are you kidding me?!?
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Topic: Triumph?! Are you kidding me?!?
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Subject: Triumph?! Are you kidding me?!?
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 17:29
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Just saw NEL NOME DEL PROG's review of "The Sport of Kings", and I must say I'm shocked! Triumph as prog?! I pretty much pooh-poohed the whiners who complained about The Residents, Queen, and Styx being in this site's archives. Frankly, I grew up in the 70's and those of us who lived in the mainstream heartland of the U.S. at least considered them progressive (compared to Paper Lace, Starland Vocal Band, Wings, Greg Kihn Band, Orleans, Journey, Scorpions, Def Leppard, Molly Hatchet, ....... you get the picture). So they'll never measure up to a good-old pretentious nod to Fifth of Firth (whatever the heck that damn song is supposed to be about...). But we don't have room to acknowledge Led Zeppelin, Hendrix, or Rainbow? (and don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting they should be in progarchives)...... But TRIUMPH!? I mean, did anybody who was involved in deciding this one actually live in the 70's and 80's? These guys practically invented hair-band arena rock! Why not just reserve a spot for Whitesnake and Quiet Riot too? How is it that we can have the guys who penned the inspiring - "You got no right to make me wait, But not the ones who brought us kashmir and Black Dog, or the virtuosity that was Jimi Hendrix? I'm so confused!
------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 17:40
| I suppose the fact that they pretty much sound exactly like Rush was enough to get them a nod under prog related. I wouldn't have supported it either had it been my decision, but oh well. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 17:58
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Retrovertigo added them as Art Rock,someone changed them to Prog-Related.( So,they only qualify as prog-related.They arent Prog and we arent saying they are.Prog-related why not? If it draws non-prog initiates to the forum it's a good thing isnt it? Triumph to Dream Theater to Porcupine Tree to Pink Floyd. Three simple steps and another Classic Prog Band gets new fans..... UI,apart from the odd very early track-Blinding Light Show-musically they are nothing like Rush.
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 18:00
| I haven't actually heard them honestly, that seems to be their reason for being here according to their bio though. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 18:02
| Rik Emmett sings in a high register a la Geddy Lee,but that's it. |
Posted By: Fearless
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 18:04
Does this mean that Led Zeppelin, the Who, Rainbow, Hendrix, et al will be added soon? It seems to me that the sites definition of what is or is not "progressive" is becoming more and more liberal (not a bad thing at all). ------------- If you don't stand up You don't stand a chance! |
Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 18:05
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Actually, I grew up in the '70s, liked most Triumph and, when I saw them listed at this website, never thought twice about it. Now Styx, Queen, Boston and these sorts of '70s band, those I wondered about. I mean, once you include those, it's a short slippery ride to inlclusion of Foghat, Foreigner, the Police, Ted Nugent, the Ramones, the Sex Pistols, Public Enemy, Frank Sinatra,...well you see my point. But there's something about Triumph's best stuff that merits it's inclusion. "Fight the good Fight." ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 18:09
Ah, bait-and-switch advertising, then? Brilliant! Seriously though, I have another thread on the best bands people discivered on this site (and Porcupine Tree had a lot of nods) - if your ploy holds then there should be many replies there from recent converts soon. Still, Triumph?! Oh well, I was stunned to learn only recently that Saga qualifies as prog-related too. Man, I did a 'Shaun of the Dead' skeet-shoot on my copy of Images at Twilight over 20 years ago! So much to learn......... ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 18:17
Prog-Related is not Prog Rock...but it is a gateway to Prog and thus these bands inclusion is critical to the growth and above-all the usefulness of the Site as the Number One Prog Rock Reference Facility. I firmly believe in this. Over the next six to twelve months those bands will be added.As Prog-Related or Proto Prog.This does not mean that Prog Archives believes these bands are Prog,merely that we recognise the link. Anyone who thinks we are selling out or becoming liberal is ignoring the "evangelical" potential of adding these bands. Spread The Word!!! We want Prog Rock to be alive in the next millennium.
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Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 18:27
While I see your point and appreciate what you're trying to do, invariabley the forum and the reviews will be diluted away from serious prog discussions, sort of like they are now. Which is fine, I mean whatever it takes to keep this website vibrant and exicting I say is good; but as a serious prog fan, I sort of want a venue to discuss prog in depth, and find it harder to do that when the mission of the website becomes less devoted to prog, but instead: prog, prog-related, prog-related-related, foster chldren of prog, next-door neighbors of prog, and so on. ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 18:36
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The Prog Lounge is for discussion of Prog Bands.If we can enforce this without being too dogmatic then I dont see the discussion of Prog Bands being diluted or polluted in any way! Dont worry. |
Posted By: Fearless
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 18:40
If I started a thread about Styx, Triumph, Supertramp, etc., then I would put it in the "Non-Prog" section of the forum? In other words, do we discuss prog-related bands in the main lounge or the non-prog lounge? ------------- If you don't stand up You don't stand a chance! |
Posted By: Fearless
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 18:40
^whops, looks like you answered that question already ------------- If you don't stand up You don't stand a chance! |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 18:45
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I do believe the inclusion of Triumph as Art Rock was very silly,though.I'm not even sure they should have been added as prog-related,they're more Van Halen than Rush.There appears to be nothing I can do about this now,but hopefully this is a blip. I'm going to add a track from Allied Forces,so people can judge for themselves. |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 18:51
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Make it "Hot Time on This City Tonight". No wait, there goes your advertising scheme...... Oh well, cat's out of the bag. Or, "oot" of the bag as they say up north....
Alright bluetailcry, back to the serious stuff.... ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 19:04
Like I said this band was added in haste by someone with good intentions....but... anyway here's the link to Ordinary Man (the most prog like if you take a giant leap of imagination,kinda proto-Styx ) http://www.progarchives.com/mp3/Triumph-Allied%20Forces-07-Ordinary%20Man.mp3 - http://www.progarchives.com/mp3/Triumph-Allied%20Forces-07-O rdinary%20Man.mp3 Click the link and it will play after a short while or right-click and "save target as2 to download it.
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Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 19:47
I'm not a real Triumph fan, but early Triumph -- I believe -- was more, how do I say it, thoughtfully created, than some of the later stuff. It aspired to more than, say, the "No-no Song." Sort of like early Journey, before the complete and utter sell-out. At least that's how I remember it in those lazy, hazy days of the mid-70s. I mean we'd hear Triumph in between PFM and Led Zeppelin and go, not bad, like the solo, like the lyrics, lead singer is good, good serious rock. Then something like "Hair of the Dog" would come on, and we'd go wild...
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 20:33
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Triumph......the BS just doesn't stop piling up. This proto prog/prog related classification is a load of crap.Almost any band could be added under prog related.I think it is watering down the best prog rock resource on the net,and don't really like it. -------------  |
Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 21:03
Whoa, dude, you don't have to sugar-coat it. Just tell us what you really think... ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: CalamityDaemon
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 21:16
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You know what we should do? Let's add Vengeance and Bodine because Arjen Lucassen was in it and he invented the immaculate, holiness that is Ayreon. What? They're "Prog-Related"! ------------- I wake to Sleep and I take my Waking slow, I feel my fate in what I cannot fear, I learn by going where I have to go. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 22:05
And I was holding back........ ------------- |
Posted By: Gedhead
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 22:20
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"So, what kind of music do you listen to?" "Well, ya know, progressive rock. "Oh really! Who?" "Well you know, the usual, Pink Floyd and, well ya know, Triumph." Triumph's addition to this site is ridiculous. What an oversight. |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 22:21
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------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 22:24
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Or maybe like this: "So, what kind of music do you listen to?" "Well, you know, proto-prog." "Really, who?" "Well, you know the usual, Journey, Styx, Triumph. They're very proto, if you know what I mean." ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 22:40
It's funny that you say that because Journey WAS prog and more prog than all the other bands you mentioned. I don't care what anyone says. Just listen to their first album if you don't believe me. (Also, I'm not in anyway suggesting that Journey be on here because most of their albums aren't prog at all.) ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 23:22
Well, I agree with you that Journey's first couple of albums could be easily be considered prog-related, if not neo-prog, definitely much more so than Triumph. "Of a Lifetime" had a progressive feel on their first album, and "Kohoutek" is almost a jazz fusion tune. Plus they had very prog-appropriate artwork on their first two album covers  .
But everything they did after 1975 cancels all that out and they should never be allowed to occupy archive space here. Hmmm, a moderately prog band who managed to undergo a complete transformation into a corporate shill schlepping glossed over pop tunes under the guise of intelligent music...... Another band from the east side of the Atlantic pond comes to mind here too. Maybe we should have a new category - "used-ta'-be-prog" ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: October 03 2005 at 05:29
Ok,Ok.......... so tell me: how do we undo 25 years of damage where Prog Rock was pushed to the wastelends and isolated from public perception by the Media? Do you believe that Prog Rock's heritage will just endure without any tinkering? If sopmeone's searching for Triumph on a search engine and is lead to their page on Prog Archives and is told;"If you like Triumph you might also like to try Rush and Dream Theater" then surely we have achieved something! If a miracle happened and Yes apppeared on the front cover of Rolling Stone,we would be punching the air in delight,surely.We wouldnt accuse Yes (or Prog Rock) of selling out-we would consider the implications. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: October 03 2005 at 10:36
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BUMP
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Posted By: nimrodel
Date Posted: October 03 2005 at 11:03
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i tough that we were talking about
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Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: October 03 2005 at 11:06
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YES on front cover of Rolling Stone:
Last months copy though... ------------- Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005 |
Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: October 03 2005 at 11:11
^Well 1973 to be honest  ------------- Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005 |
Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: October 03 2005 at 11:22
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Bands related to prog is a fine idea - Zep, Queen, Triumph, Boston etc etc all had moments where their classic prog influences leaked out. Take Boston's Foreplay/Long Time. I distinctly remember, as a youngster, asking an older friend if he knew any other bands who had lots of keyboards like that. He pointed me at Yes and Genesis. Twenty years later.... Bit like a drug dealer really. "So kid, you like that little bit of Hammond organ do ya? Try this on for size. What is it? Only Close to the Edge. It'll blow your mind. Whaty a rush!"
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Posted By: Gatot
Date Posted: October 03 2005 at 12:10
I FULLY AGREE WITh YOU ...!!!!!!!! I'm confused with the later additions as well ... Gatot
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 03 2005 at 13:10
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Triumph is not as bad as most of you make it to be8 They were quite inventive for a while (until allied forces ) and have a few prog tracks most notably the three part The City. But I was a little taken aback at first about their inclusion, but seeing some completely absurd inclusions of late , Triumph has a case. I mean Legendary Pink dot , Super Furry animals , Mercury Rev............... But let's play it inclusive than exclusive! They are in to entice eventual Triumph fans to take notice of prog! |
Posted By: Frasse
Date Posted: October 03 2005 at 14:32
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I have no problems with Triumph being in PA, but maybe I would if I had heard them. I rather be inclusive than exclusive and I think that nothing is watered down, but maybe prog-related should be changed to something like 'prog-inspired'. What I don't like is that there is a lot of bands out there who is prog for sure but not added yet. |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: January 07 2006 at 11:11
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This was on a different thread, but I see now that it belongs here (edited somewhat):
------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
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Posted By: Paulieg
Date Posted: January 07 2006 at 11:26
 Triumph.http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb065_ZNxdm117DIUS"> |
Posted By: Ty1020
Date Posted: January 07 2006 at 11:32
Your intentions are good, but really, how many people do you think are going to be searching for Triumph?
It would make sense to add more current bands that people might
actually be looking for rather than this kind of thing. What about
Coheed and Cambria, for example? I don't like them, but their inclusion
would no doubt bring a ton of people to the site and introduce
them to prog, but for some reason Triumph has been added instead. It
doesn't make any sense to me...------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Ty1020/"> 
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Posted By: MegaMoog
Date Posted: January 07 2006 at 11:43
| What a waste of a good band name, it could have been used for a band that really was a Triumph |
Posted By: Progshrike
Date Posted: January 07 2006 at 11:58
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I've got a great idea! How about some of the nay-sayers try listening to Triumph before blasting it. The whole second side of Thunder Seven , thinking back to my cassette days, deserves some prog consideration. They are not prog per say but I also think that what is prog is in the eye of the beholder. ------------- Did you ever think for yourself? Just once,did you ever think? That's all I want to know> |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: January 07 2006 at 12:04
I unfortunately own Progressions of Power, Allied Forces, and Never Surrender from my younger and more impetuous days - that was enough for me.  ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: moodyxadi
Date Posted: January 07 2006 at 13:20
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I sugest to add the glorious Grand Funk Railroad to the prog-related category. They could mix the hard rock fury with prog sensibility (Closer to Home/I'm your captain, Loneliness). Kidding. I'm a great hard rock fan, but this is a prog site, that atracts people interested in prog rock. Sometimes the visitor can have a wrong perception about the seriousness of PA when he saw Styx and Triumph in the band's list. Almost every rock band from the sixties/seventies can be listed as prog related. |
Posted By: Gedhead
Date Posted: January 07 2006 at 14:11
Agreed 100% Best analyis of what is goin on here. |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: January 07 2006 at 16:06
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Yeah I'd say that Triumph are perhaps the one band here (though I also doubt ELO and Kate Bush but many do seem to back those two) that I think you're really pushing it to call them anything to do with prog. They made the odd track that verges upon it, but their albums are pretty basic heavy rock for the most part of what I've heard from them. Good band, but not a prog one imo. |
Posted By: transend
Date Posted: January 07 2006 at 17:14
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I have said it enough times......... If we have let in Tool, Radiohead, Primus, Muse etc etc...we may as well let in Abba... coz they are all PROG RELATED but then so is Zeppelin, Hendrix and Iron Maiden....everyone here has different tastes and NOT all their tastes reside in prog, if they did then utter noise like Opeth would not be in here... OK, I pissed off enough people.... but the point is, Triumph are pretty much a hard rock band with occasional prog tendencies, same goes for Queensryche. It is totally down to interpretation... Think about it this way: Yanni, yes Yanni has prog tendencies, ever seen his Acropolis concert? There are clearly prog tendencies in alot of Goth music too, but do ya see us letting in Souixsie and the Banshees?? It only takes a couple of people to say "err, yeah OK, I suppose so..." and Clay Aiken will be in here. |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: January 07 2006 at 18:46
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okay: many bands have a few prog elements, and triumph, toto, gamma, simple minds,planet P project, the fixx, yanni, enya, iron maiden and art of noise belong to this category. the issue is to determine the point of entry in the prog related section... have those bands a sufficient level of "progressiveness" to be included here? it is very hard to answer. we definitely must proceed by comparison. actually, everything is a matter of personal opinion. for instance, i do not see why people find barclay james harvest so symphonic progressive: to me, it should go into the prog related section, in the best case. do not get me wrong: i like BJH! i must admit triumph is REALLY borderline, REALLY! and NO, triumph has NOTHING to do with rush: triumph has something to do with JOURNEY! recall than many unexcptected bands can be VERY progressive, like April Wine with their JAW-DROPPING cover of Crimson' 21st century schizoid man, or the inpressive second part of shooting stars' last chance! ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: thecool
Date Posted: January 07 2006 at 20:36
Ya! GFR rules!
not prog though, of course my views, I don't think Triumph really fits into Prog related material, but others like Zeppelin, Hendrix, etc should be placed into that that category. |
Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: January 08 2006 at 01:19
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The Blinding Light show! That was prog! ------------- What's gonna come out of my mouth is gonna come out of my soul."Skip Prokop" |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 08 2006 at 06:28
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It seems a lot of people are hung up on their later career which was not prog, but if you listen to their first two albums, there are a few prog tracks. Listen to The City (a 9min+ affair divided in three sub-sections However I always felt the comparison to Rush completely unfair, to both groups. Theywere presented as: the other trio from Toronto
the next two or three albums were correct hard rock with the odd prog moments. I wrote the reviews until their sixth or seventh, but once they started doing MTV videos, they became..........; There are many bands that have fewer business on this site than Triumph: Queen, Roxy Music, Radiohead, Muse, Primus ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: January 08 2006 at 06:48
I can make a couple of very minor tweaks to your comment, and now guess who you're describing  ? And they weren't quite as chauvinistic as Triumph either.
I guess this one just kind of annoys me because it smacks of revisionist history for those like me who remember Triumph "back in the day" and know what kind of a band they really were, and what kind of fan base they had - and it wasn't the same guys who bought Yes and Jethro Tull albums.. ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 08 2006 at 06:58
Beggya pardon??!?!? But I agree with you and Journey! But they started stinking directly from the fourth album on as soon as the idiotic Steve Perry got in! At least Triumph's downfall was a more gradual affair!!! They slipped methodically and chronologically into crappiness, where Journey was all downhill from Look Into the Future (let's face it Next is not that good) ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: January 08 2006 at 09:07
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There was a short period of time,which ended about 3 months ago,when Max allowed anyone to add bands to the Archive.Triumph was,thankfully,probably the worst abuse of that system which has now been changed. As it stands only Special Collaborators can add bands to the archive now.Whilst the system isnt fool-proof (there has been one addition recently that has caused consternation-ELO) Spec Collabs are required to consider a number of points: 1.If the band/artist has been in existence for a long time,why hasnt it already been included? If there is any doubt then the inclusion should be referred to a relevant "genre specialist" that we have nominated in the Collabs Zone.Basically all "doubtfuls" should be vetted and agreed by a second party to prevent bad additions. Hope this clarifies the situation. |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: January 08 2006 at 16:22
Fair enough - I stand corrected on the tastes of Triumph fans in the 80's. Come to think of it, I have an older brother who was a big Triumph and Rush fan back then. Go figure. Still, their arguably 'progesque' musical abilities aside, you've got to admit some of their lyrics were beyond atrocious ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
!Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: January 08 2006 at 16:25
Tony, I do understand your points, which to be fair you made right up front back when this thread begain. I'm content in the simple acknowledgement that the admission of Triumph was "the worst abuse of that system" ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 09 2006 at 03:22
Actually I was not a Triumph fan in the 80's anymore, I more or less became really disappointed from Progressions Of Power onwards> increasingly less prog was my main gripe. Gil Moore lived two blocks away from me and I mowed his lawn twice (while he was touring) Their lyrics were not the brightest to say the least ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Crimsoner
Date Posted: January 09 2006 at 11:53
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Well... I used to like some (few) Triumph's albums... I never considered them neither prog, proto-prog, near-prog... nor whatever. But, I see similarities between (some) Triumph music and Rush music... in the sense that both of them took elements from Led Zeppelin... THAT is all. So, if there are some similarities in their music to a progressive group, do we have to consider them as any prog or proto-prog... (or whatever) and... do they deserve to be be added in this site?. I think NOT. Don't get me wrong, I used to "like" Triumph... and consider their music "entertaining", direct, and funny... but, but... I think they do not have enough elements to be called "progressive" or near it... because they were not even a group which push the boundaries of music to anywhere, and they did not explore and experiment... or even join some element to be called prog... They just laid on Rush's and Led Zeppelin's arguments and stay in that confortable place without going beyond anywhere. I know it's difficult to stand what may be prog-related or not, based on one or two songs (lperhaps I went too far)... I say so because... I see some Progressive elements in Triumph music, but are they enough to be called a "prog-related" band?. Besides, I don't see the point of naming lots of bands as "prog-related". Doing so, I think we are going nowhere. ------------- Just BE! |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: January 09 2006 at 12:24
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I think you should all read the description of prog-related before flying off the handle about it. As long as bands are added under this description there should be no problem. Maybe, in the new version of Progarchives, Prog-Related will not be placed as a genre but maybe something that says these bands have something in common with Progressive rock but aren't actually a genre. Having said that I agree totally with the principal that having links to these bands here is important for the survival of progressive music. I also agree with the person who brought up newer bands like Coheed and Cambria being linked here too under this premise. I dont believe we should limit that thought pattern to just older bands. Having said that I have disagrreed Triumph should be here from the start. But what are you going to do. If nothing else there presence brought about wholesale reforms to the admisson process.
Prog Related ------------- 
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Posted By: Flip_Stone
Date Posted: January 09 2006 at 12:36
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Yeah, putting Triumph on a prog. rock site is ridiculous, and rather funny too. Hey, they ain't prog. rock. FILE UNDER "HARD ROCK / POWER-POP" |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: January 09 2006 at 16:54
Indeed. I must say 'American Girls' was one of the cheesiest songs I've ever heard in the lyrical department. It was on 'Just A Game' and brought that whole album down for me somewhat. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 01:38
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Triumph was a great hard rock band; best albums are Rock 'n' Roll Machine, Just A Game, Allied Forces, Never Surrender and Thunder Seven, which did have a few songs tied thematically together (I just had to put that in there for all the Triumph haters, haha). No, Triumph wasn't a prog band; Triumph was a hard rock trio that took its cues from Dust, Trapeze and other bands that came before them. RELAX, people! And why not pick up the great Live At The US Fest DVD, so you can experience just what a talent the band had in Rik Emmett, vocally and especially on electric lead guitar. He's a lefty who learned to play right, IYKWIM; he's up there with EVH, Blackmore, Page and all those guys. A little respect may be due. Putting on my asbestos suit... |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: March 12 2006 at 15:08
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Triumph's Prog(-Related) "epic" "The Blinding Light Show" is now available on the Streaming Media Player on their band page: http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2023 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAN D.asp?band_id=2023 Give it a listen and you will see why they have been included..... ..........."Just A Game" is available too as well as "Ordinary Man" these two tracks point to the opposite point of view,,,, |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: March 12 2006 at 19:08
Tony, ever the diplomat, and I respect that. I listened to "The Blinding Light Show", and it does indeed showcase some of the better traits of Triumph's music, namely the excellent guitar work and solid drums. But this was one track off their first album more than thirty years ago, and they have done so much since then to cancel its effects. And honestly, that song is not "why they have been included". In fact, I believe your earlier explanations included - "I do believe the inclusion of Triumph as Art Rock was very silly,though.I'm not even sure they should have been added as prog-related,they're more Van Halen than Rush.There appears to be nothing I can do about this now,but hopefully this is a blip." "There was a short period of time,which ended about 3 months ago,when Max allowed anyone to add bands to the Archive.Triumph was,thankfully,probably the worst abuse of that system which has now been changed." All in good humor though. ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 13 2006 at 04:35
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What British fans must realize is that they only ever got a compliation of tracks from the first two albums with the second album's artwork. If you get thereal almbums , you will find that the three part THE CITY is lyrically and musicaly superb also. But let's face it , two lenghty prog induced tracks are not enough for a group to be prog ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Rosescar
Date Posted: March 13 2006 at 06:21
This is true. When I first ended up on this site, I did a search for Zeppelin, and didn't find them. "What bullsh*t" I thought and clicked the little x. ------------- http://www.soundclick.com/rosescar/ - My music! "THE AUDIENCE WERE generally drugged. (In Holland, always)." - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: surfdaddy
Date Posted: March 13 2006 at 10:56
| Add: Twisted Sister, Scorpions, and Poison while youre at it. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: March 13 2006 at 13:23
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and delete all references to surfing....? |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 18:39
Man have the times changed. -------------
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 02:23
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Triumph's not prog, just a great hard rock trio. Everything they did up through Thunder Seven is good...IF you're into hard rock. Otherwise, don't worry about 'em. _____________________
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Posted By: freebird
Date Posted: April 14 2006 at 08:27
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: April 14 2006 at 08:29
Let's just say that they slipped in under the net... |
Posted By: freebird
Date Posted: April 14 2006 at 08:54
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 01:08
BOC made some great music before they burned out creatively. Almost anything they did in the '70s, plus Cultosaurus Erectus and Fire Of Unknown Origin is good-to-great. And some of it's proggy! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 10:41
Unfortunately, B.O.C. were rejected after a two-week poll in the Collaborators' section. I love the band (though I'd be the first to admit that by the early Eighties they had already burned out) and I think they would deserve to be in PA much more than Triumph. But that's democracy for you...
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