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eugene 
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 Posted: September 30 2005 at 19:32 |
 Trouserpress wrote:
Magma is fun. Zeuhl is fun! |
Frankly, I cannot see any fun in Magma. Must admit that I have just started to dig into this subgenre of prog, and borrowed from friend of mine 4 albums of Magma (' 73 - Mekanik..., '74- Kontrakto..., 77- Udu Wudu and 84 - Merci). Starting with the last: 'Merci' I found to be a complete rubbish - more low quality disco than anything else. The other 3 are much more interesting. Not the easiest kind of music to get into, and certainly it takes time to diggest, but it is quite challenging. But still no fun! It is rather disturbing, depressing, neurvous, psychic music. In best moment it reminds me of Art Zoyd and Univers Zero (Heresie).
I also borrowed 3 albums by Zao (who belonging to Zeuhl as well, according to these Archives). I find music of Zao completely different, and it is very strange to me that two absolutely different bands are in the same subgenre. Zao is very good fusion/jazz-rock, with beautiful expressive violin, much easier accessible than magma, and although quite serious, can be called fun at moments.
I also have amon duul II "Phallos dei" which is closer to Magma, I would say, but they are in Kraut rock division.
Would be interesting to hear experts opinion about Zeuhl, Kraut, their similarities and differences, and by which criteria one can tell one from the other.
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tuxon
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Posted: September 30 2005 at 22:37 |
phallus dei is indeed in some moments comparable to Zeuhl, and so is some RIO, and even Canterbury has on occasion some links to the Zeuhl movement (not to mention Fusion which is IMO the core of the genre). but krautrock had only in the beginning days some minor things in common, mostly it was the experimental, space rock oriented approach, but Kraut moved to a more electronic, ambient style, while Zeuhl searched the borders of bass/drum oriented music.
or something like that
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SlipperFink
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Posted: September 30 2005 at 23:32 |
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DeFutura is hilariously great.
SM.
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 08:23 |
tuxon wrote:
I was immidiatly hooked to Magma's musick, quite accesible actually.
Before listening to it I expected something more strange, but I like them a lot, from first listening on.
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how about mozart?
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Joren
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 08:40 |
Syzygy wrote:
Kobaian was developed by Christian Vander and Klaus Blasquiz, at least partly because the French language wasn't suitable for the kind of vocal sound Vander had in mind. The invented language was intended to sound German/Slavonic, hence the large number of hard consonants.
According to Chris Cutler, Christian and Klaus occasionally conversed in Kobaian but the language was rather limited - many ways to say 'Die, accursed race of Earthmen!' but now way to say 'Would you like a coffee?'.
Other bands to do something similar -
Can with Damo Suzuki, who sang in a mixture of English, Japanese, German and gibberish. He referred to it as the language of the stone age.
Sigur Ros sing in Hopelandic.
Ruins sing in a made up tongue of their own invention.
The Cocteau Twins had their own bizarre language as well - in The Crow Road by Iain Banks the central character knows he's stoned when he can understand what Liz Fraser is singing.
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Koenjihyakkei have their own language as well, right? 
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Winterkaelte
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 09:06 |
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I think Magma are brilliant, i found MDK a little bit hard to grasp at first though.
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Syzygy
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 14:51 |
Joren wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
Kobaian was developed by Christian Vander and Klaus Blasquiz, at least partly because the French language wasn't suitable for the kind of vocal sound Vander had in mind. The invented language was intended to sound German/Slavonic, hence the large number of hard consonants.
According to Chris Cutler, Christian and Klaus occasionally conversed in Kobaian but the language was rather limited - many ways to say 'Die, accursed race of Earthmen!' but now way to say 'Would you like a coffee?'.
Other bands to do something similar -
Can with Damo Suzuki, who sang in a mixture of English, Japanese, German and gibberish. He referred to it as the language of the stone age.
Sigur Ros sing in Hopelandic.
Ruins sing in a made up tongue of their own invention.
The Cocteau Twins had their own bizarre language as well - in The Crow Road by Iain Banks the central character knows he's stoned when he can understand what Liz Fraser is singing.
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Koenjihyakkei have their own language as well, right?
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Koenji Hyakkei are a kind of sister band to Ruins (both are led by drummer/composer Yoshida Tatsuya) and as far as I can work out they both use the same language.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Tony R
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 14:56 |
Syzygy wrote:
Joren wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
Kobaian was developed by Christian Vander and Klaus Blasquiz, at least partly because the French language wasn't suitable for the kind of vocal sound Vander had in mind. The invented language was intended to sound German/Slavonic, hence the large number of hard consonants.
According to Chris Cutler, Christian and Klaus occasionally conversed in Kobaian but the language was rather limited - many ways to say 'Die, accursed race of Earthmen!' but now way to say 'Would you like a coffee?'.
Other bands to do something similar -
Can with Damo Suzuki, who sang in a mixture of English, Japanese, German and gibberish. He referred to it as the language of the stone age.
Sigur Ros sing in Hopelandic.
Ruins sing in a made up tongue of their own invention.
The Cocteau Twins had their own bizarre language as well - in The Crow Road by Iain Banks the central character knows he's stoned when he can understand what Liz Fraser is singing.
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Koenjihyakkei have their own language as well, right?
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Koenji Hyakkei are a kind of sister band to Ruins (both are led by drummer/composer Yoshida Tatsuya) and as far as I can work out they both use the same language.
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Sausagey,what is it with you and gibberish?
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Hamatai
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 15:57 |
OldFatherThames wrote:
I reverse the question...what do you like
about it ? I just find it to be a stupid idea to speak in a non
sense langage. Why ?? Is it bring something to the music ? Like someone
said before, it's like a science fiction concept, and I absolutely hate
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If you think, that they really "sing" something senseful on "Kobaian",
you are mistaken. Vander has once said, that he wants his music to be
unambiguous. And lyrics, in traditional sense, are ambiguous. When I
say "sky", everyone imagines his own sky. When the song is called "Love
bites", for example, everyone remembers his former love, that made some
hurt. But if the song is called "Kohntarkosz", you can't imagine,
what's this song about.
The main thing about Magma's singing is not what they sing, but how they sing. That does matter.
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Joren
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 15:58 |
Syzygy wrote:
Joren wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
Kobaian was developed by Christian Vander and Klaus Blasquiz, at least partly because the French language wasn't suitable for the kind of vocal sound Vander had in mind. The invented language was intended to sound German/Slavonic, hence the large number of hard consonants.
According to Chris Cutler, Christian and Klaus occasionally conversed in Kobaian but the language was rather limited - many ways to say 'Die, accursed race of Earthmen!' but now way to say 'Would you like a coffee?'.
Other bands to do something similar -
Can with Damo Suzuki, who sang in a mixture of English, Japanese, German and gibberish. He referred to it as the language of the stone age.
Sigur Ros sing in Hopelandic.
Ruins sing in a made up tongue of their own invention.
The Cocteau Twins had their own bizarre language as well - in The Crow Road by Iain Banks the central character knows he's stoned when he can understand what Liz Fraser is singing.
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Koenjihyakkei have their own language as well, right?
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Koenji Hyakkei are a kind of sister band to Ruins (both are led by drummer/composer Yoshida Tatsuya) and as far as I can work out they both use the same language.
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Ah! thanks for the info 
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