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Syntharachnid 
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 Posted: September 03 2005 at 21:46 |
Absolutely! The main problem I find with some of the later Yes albums is the lack of epics. Maybe they still have it in them to create an epic like The Revealing Science of God. That'd be nice!
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transend
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Posted: September 03 2005 at 23:19 |
Isnt this like saying "I've eaten too many steaks" or "i've had enough chocolate for the rest of my life"..???
am lost, obviously
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transend
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Posted: September 03 2005 at 23:24 |
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by the way, 'The Gates of delirium' has been my favorite song for many, many years...
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el böthy
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Posted: September 03 2005 at 23:39 |
 Luke wrote:
fandango wrote:
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Gates Of Delirium is even worse than Tales. i wonder how is it possible Yes created stuff like Going For The One which is really good and contains long pieces. |
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thank you for saying i'm young, that's really nice someone finally said that. Gates would be really good if it had concept, progress and music... instead of that we got collection of sounds, pretty good collection but still just sounds.
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 You better watch your back, man! You dont talk that way about Gates of Delirium!!! Yes best epic and song as well!
And to the question Yes epics: No, I dont think that there are too many epics...I also used to think that if there are too many epics then they dont get that much attention...but look at Close to the edge...its the number one album in this site...and in prog in general! Look how I defend Gates! Look how some bring Endless Dream up to discussion!...I say...yes epics? BRING EM OOOOOOOOOON!!!!!!
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el böthy
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Posted: September 03 2005 at 23:44 |
Luke wrote:
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if you hear the concept congratulations, really maybe i should drop some acid maybe that would help. ok it is concept for you for many others to me it's too chaotic.
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What is that supposed to mean? It's really one of the most obvious concepts I've ever heard in a prog epic. Moreover, to say that it's "too chaotic" leads me to believe that you really haven't listened to very much prog. Sure, it's chaotic by Yes standards, but it's still a relatively straightforward song in the grand scheme of things. If you had said the same thing about Sound Chaser I might have been able to see where you were coming from (although I would have disagreed, as it's one of my favourite Yes songs), but Gates? I don't think so.
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trust me i heard a lot of prog music. i love Emerson Lake & Palmer avant grade trips but there is something about ELP music Yes have never had. the answer is Keith Emerson.
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ah...you Emerson, Lake & Palmer fans are so up tight!...So what if they didnt had Emerson...its a good thing they didnt had Emerson hehehehe
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penguindf12
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Posted: September 03 2005 at 23:53 |
Wow, this degenerated into a free-for-all opinion battle fast. Stay clear here, folks. Then again, what'd you expect from the title "Too many Yes epics"?
This thread is now condemned. Stay far far away. And by the way, this proves that it's not just prog metal that's the "problem". Segregating genres won't get you guys anywhere. A battle is now being waged over humble Yes. Geez, like beating the crap out of each other for world peace!
Seriously, go read a book or something.
Edited by penguindf12
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SirPsycho388
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Posted: September 04 2005 at 01:20 |
What about Machine Messiah? Would you consider that an epic?
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Nipsey88
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Posted: September 04 2005 at 01:37 |
Saying that a band has "too many epics" is like saying that Mozart's
music has "too many notes" (see Amadeus, you'll understand). Whether
you like them or not is up to you (I actually find many Yes pieces to
be aimless, meandering and long-winded), but to denounce a band for no
other reason than the scope or length of their songs is ludicrous.
P.S. BTW, epics rule! 
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transend
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Posted: September 04 2005 at 01:40 |
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Dunno if 'Machine messiah' is an epic, but its a great song!!
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Posted: September 04 2005 at 15:16 |
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Damen
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Posted: September 04 2005 at 15:26 |
This thread is starting to remind me of the Gates of Delirium with the flame war going on, I just hope there is an uplifting resolve.
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Eddy
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Posted: September 04 2005 at 16:35 |
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omg dude, thats What made YES so good! My favortie prog is when it Feels epic and important! it feels like a journey rather then listening to a song. It makes it so more emotional. The best of prog is The epics, and as long as there good, the more the better dude. JESUS!
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fender101
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Posted: September 06 2005 at 04:28 |
Eddy wrote:
omg dude, thats What made YES so good! My favortie prog is when it Feels epic and important! it feels like a journey rather then listening to a song. It makes it so more emotional. The best of prog is The epics, and as long as there good, the more the better dude. JESUS! |
I agree that a good epic cant be beat but Yes turn 10 individual mediocre chord progressions into a song and that is just a bit, may i say pretentious (hell I guess thats wehat prog is about anyway)
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Well McGarnical Billy is dead! They slit his throat from ear to ear!
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Posted: September 06 2005 at 15:49 |
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You can never have too many epics AFAIC. I still get excited when I come across a 20 minute song.
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kirklott
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Posted: September 06 2005 at 15:59 |
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Now don't kill me, I love Yes and I think their music is just as whimsical as it is brillient however I cant help feeling they have done just too many epics. I think they have diminished the importance of their epics by making so many of them. When I think of other great prog bands their epics are always the ones that stick out as brillient (Pink Floyd, Genesis, ELP etc).
Yes has done so many that they just dont jump out as major highlights of their career which i think truly shows that they have made some bad ones which is the total opposite of what an epic should be(tales esp).
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Fender, I think you're a bit daft on this one.
Too me, the epic in general is overrated. But with Yes, much of the band's best music is contained within epics. I mean, CttE set the high water mark, because it contained the band's best music.
As for others, the second half of The Remembering, the "climax" of Awaken, the post-battle section of Gates are simply some of the best music Yes has ever made, period. Sure, I dig short songs Long Distance Runaround, Cinema, Let's Pretend, etc. But there's more classic Yes moments contained within epics, which seem to bring out the best in Yes.
As further proof, CttE is better than Siberian Khatru, Awaken has better music within it than Wonderous Stories, etc., and Endless Dream has better music within it than the awful Real Love, State of Play and Walls.
And finally, the best music Yes has made since the 70s is contained within 3 epics: That That Is, Mind Drive, and Homeworld. I mean, minute by minute, Mind Drive's music just kicks the rest of KTA2's ass.
I think the one point where we agree is Topo. I reckon Topo has about 30 minutes of good music - there's a lot of padding, esp side 3.
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Fragile
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Posted: September 06 2005 at 16:28 |
Guests wrote:
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[QUOTE=Luke]Gates Of Delirium is even worse than Tales. i wonder how is it possible Yes created stuff like Going For The One which is really good and contains long pieces. |
I wouldn't go spreading your oppinion about Gates too loudly in this forum young Luke, you might find yourself tied to a telegraph pole wearing nothing but your undies...
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thank you for saying i'm young, that's really nice someone finally said that. Gates would be really good if it had concept, progress and music... instead of that we got collection of sounds, pretty good collection but still just sounds.
[/QUO 'Gates' is a classic piece of music which takes you on a helter skelter ride through the mayhem of war.The music matches and reflects this perfectly.If the listener cannot hear the concept then there is something lacking somewhere in that listener.You don't have to like it, that is down to choice, but to say that there is no concept is plain daft.As much as I like ELP they could never write music consistently like The Yes Album,Fragile,Close to the Edge,Tales,Relayer and Going for the One' this was Prog at it's peak being played and written by a band at it's peak.While I'm having my rant I would add 'Heart of the Sunrise' into the epic catogorie.But 'CTE' and 'Awaken' surpass all that Yes's Peers have done.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: September 06 2005 at 16:33 |
Hey Fragile, great to see you around again!
Your right about "Gates" of course, in fact even if it was an instrumental, the concept would still metaphorically slap you in the face.
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DEzerov
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Posted: September 06 2005 at 16:35 |
Syntharachnid wrote:
Absolutely! The main problem I find with some of the later Yes
albums is the lack of epics. Maybe they still have it in
them to create an epic like The Revealing Science of God. That'd
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Would one consider "Mind Drive", "New Languages" and "In the Presence
Of" as Epics? I'm not a fan of Mind Drive, but it has all the
elements...New Languages, while shorter than CTTE, is very, very
classic Yes and even Jon Anderson refered to ITPO as a Yes epic.
Nope... never too many epics!
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Fragile
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Posted: September 06 2005 at 16:43 |
Thanks Easy Livin, getting back into the swing of things.  Gates stayed with me a long long time from the inspirational cover to the even more inspirational music.
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