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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 05:49

Magma can be a turn-off at first, especially with their impenetrable lyrics. It is written in a language from the planet Kabaia they invented but receive mail written in Kobaian from fans.

The music as someone mentioned is very much in the Carl Orff (Carmina Burana) mode but there is clearly some John Coltrane influences in there. Hang on with it. If you do catch on with that music, it can be orgasmic.

One should be careful in judging a band on one download only! I was the one introducing Circus to the Archives and M@X intrigued by my review of Movin'On bought a copy and put in a download of a track of the album that does not represent the fullness of Circus's capacities. But looking at the album , it was almost impossible to find one that would do that unless the 20 min title track, so I think that download may be the most apt  but not really representative. Same can be said of the Magma download.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 06:55
I'll listen again, don't worry!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 07:11

goofy and overblown IMO, Dun, Zao and Weidorje are digestible to me. When you take away the vocals from lala land they become mediorce. Think Magma and Henry Cow should have taken a cruise on a sinking ship for opening the door to numerous noise bands that claim to be making music. Only a viewpoint.

actually avant garde fusion owns this crowning acheivement.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 07:16
Understandable viewpoint!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 10:01

Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

I was immidiatly hooked to Magma's musick, quite accesible actually.

Before listening to it I expected something more strange, but I like them a lot, from first listening on.


Exactly the same here.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 10:56

Originally posted by Dan Yaron Dan Yaron wrote:

I consider it boring, and I don't consider it weird, just boring.

You like Dream Theater?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 11:27
I used to have a Magma album that I dragged out at
parties to scare people but never really listened
to...then one day I actually paid attention, and I finally
got it. It's dramatic, weird, choral music. And the
scary fuzz bass/mad drumming interlock is one of a
kind.

Now I own several Magma cds, which I listen to all
the time.

Definitely an acquired taste, but one worth a little
perseverance.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 11:52
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by Dan Yaron Dan Yaron wrote:

I consider it boring, and I don't consider it weird, just boring.

You like Dream Theater?

Wether he does or he doesn't is hardly relevent is it?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 13:17

Originally posted by Alfi Alfi wrote:

Zeuhl is not for everyone. I'm still trying to get into it. Magma is still a bit disturbing.
However I love Guapo-Five Suns so maybe in the not-so-far future I'll be able to enjoy Magma.

 

I first listened to a Magma record when I was 18 and I thought "what the hell is this ? This isn't music !".

I gave it another chance a couple of years later and I thought "hell, there's really something happening here..." and bought a couple of their records starting by Kobaďa. I've even seen them in concert : Vander is really incredible when you see him play behind his drum kit. He looks completely in transe and plays like a madman... anyway, what an atmosphere, a unique experience to be sure !

This really is challenging stuff and the reward is worth it.

Having said this, I just can't get into Henry Cow...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 13:28
I love MAGMA! My favourite album right now is UdĂĽ WĂĽdĂĽ. By the way, read my review of "MDK":

MAGMA Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh

Review by Arteum Bochevarov @ 1:34:14 PM EST, 4/21/2005

4 stars  â€”  I have a lot to say about “MDK”. This was my first zeuhl album and it is not surprising I am bubbling with impatience to express my opinion. Having read a gread deal of reviews on MAGMA, I was so intrigued by it that a secret masochistic desire (masochistic because allegedly some people, if we are to believe their reviews, felt the urge to vomit after hearing MAGMA) to listen to one of their albums was never leaving me afterwards. Somehow I expected to hear what I have eventually heard and somehow I had always known I would like it. Some people perhaps have a natural predilection for zeuhl although they might have never heard it. I remember, when I was a ten year old kid, and frequently bored at home or just in need of a change, I would pace to and fro in my room and chant some crazy tunes, first in my native Russian (making up purposefully meaningless lyrics as I sang), and later it turned into simple exploration of my voice accompanied with rather strange dancing. My voice was horrible, I knew it all the time, but it was insignificant in comparison with the weird artistic form of expression I had discovered for myself. Of course, I knew nothing about zeuhl then, and my amateurish, playful and silly singing was not zeuhl – it was rather a primitive joy of music (in fact, zeuhl has the same roots, that is, the primitive joy of and celebration of music, which Christian Vander implied, in my opinion, in some of his interviews). But in this unprejudiced feeling for pure music I find my liking for MAGMA. You may think that with my apparently bizarre childhood and liking for MAGMA my prog “orientation” might be a bit rainbowish too. But yet, my five most favourite prog bands are PINK FLOYD, GENESIS, Ă„NGLAGĂ…RD, PORCUPINE TREE and MARILLION, liked and respected by every proghead, irrespective of his attitude to zeuhl.

MAGMA reminds me slightly of a famous Russian group AUCTYON (unfortunately, still not present at progarchives.com) with which I became acquainted when I was sixteen or so. AUCTYON is a mix of traditional rock, RIO and probably zeuhl (in its Russian form). I love AUCTYON dearly to this day. And I think AUCTYON was another preparatory stage which allowed me to take MAGMA calmly and with an avid interest, unlike some people who rate MAGMA’s albums with one star.

Now, about the very album, “Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh”. It is very difficult to rate it for me, since I have not heard any other zeuhl albums yet. It is like asking someone at the beginning of the 20th century to rate the music of Britney Spears. I am sure, poor Britney would be considered sheer prog just because her “Hit me baby one more time” would seem somewhere around 1900 as original, innovative and technically highly accomplished music. The same to me is zeuhl – I have nothing to compare it with, and as it sounds fantastic and delightful (and invokes in my mind the songs which witches in fairytales would sing, when meeting in great numbers at the top of the hill under the full moon), I am tempted to give it all five stars. And the more I listen to it the more I like it. The same recurring rhythm and the minimalism principle have a hypnotic quality and I may play and enjoy the album five times a day. The parts I like most is where the women sing with great effect something like “Yes, …!”, “Yes, …!” … (around 7:50 of “Hortz Fur Dehn Stekehn West” and especially around 6:07 of “Da Zeuhl Wortz Mekanik”). “Nebehr_Gudahtt” is almost hysterical – in this I agree with one of the reviewers.

In summary, I give “MDK” four and a half stars. Four is too few because not many other albums in the last year or so had such a profound influence on me, and five is too many since I cannot (or still am not bold enough) to number “MDK” among “Wish You Were Here”, “The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway” and “Epilog”. But I think four and a half stars is a very high rating nevertheless, and I am dying to listen to my next MAGMA album (which I already have), “1001 Centigrades”.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 13:59
I have been loving them since I have listened to the first ten seconds of Da Zeuhl Worts Mekanik, which was the first Zeuhl-song I have heard. They are just fantastic.
I can only recommend Eskaton and Art Zoyd to you if you like Magma
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 15:48
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by Dan Yaron Dan Yaron wrote:

I consider it boring, and I don't consider it weird, just boring.

You like Dream Theater?

 

No way mate! If i had to choose between Magma and Dream Theatre I would choose Magma, although they cannot be compared.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 15:50
Originally posted by Dan Yaron Dan Yaron wrote:

Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by Dan Yaron Dan Yaron wrote:

I consider it boring, and I don't consider it weird, just boring.

You like Dream Theater?

 

No way mate! If i had to choose between Magma and Dream Theatre I would choose Magma, although they cannot be compared.

I'd pick magma too, although both are pretty bad, imo.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 16:37
Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:

Originally posted by Dan Yaron Dan Yaron wrote:

Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by Dan Yaron Dan Yaron wrote:

I consider it boring, and I don't consider it weird, just boring.

You like Dream Theater?

 

No way mate! If i had to choose between Magma and Dream Theatre I would choose Magma, although they cannot be compared.

I'd pick magma too, although both are pretty bad, imo.

Boy, are you narrow-minded... There are other stuff besides Genesis an Yes, do a favor to yourself and explore new orizons...
Please forgive me for my crappy english!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 16:39
Originally posted by mirco mirco wrote:

Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:

Originally posted by Dan Yaron Dan Yaron wrote:

Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by Dan Yaron Dan Yaron wrote:

I consider it boring, and I don't consider it weird, just boring.

You like Dream Theater?

 

No way mate! If i had to choose between Magma and Dream Theatre I would choose Magma, although they cannot be compared.

I'd pick magma too, although both are pretty bad, imo.

Boy, are you narrow-minded... There are other stuff besides Genesis an Yes, do a favor to yourself and explore new orizons...

if I've listened to 2 of their albums i consider that 'exploring' lay off i prefer my music to be listenable.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 16:42
Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:

if I've listened to 2 of their albums i consider that 'exploring' lay off i prefer my music to be listenable.

I won't insist on you, because of your signature... I love Tull, so i will stop the picking.
Please forgive me for my crappy english!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 16:50
Originally posted by mirco mirco wrote:

Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:

if I've listened to 2 of their albums i consider that 'exploring' lay off i prefer my music to be listenable.

I won't insist on you, because of your signature... I love Tull, so i will stop the picking.

Tull is great - sadly as you were postign this i changed my sig (I change it frequently)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 17:50
Originally posted by mirco mirco wrote:

Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:

Originally posted by Dan Yaron Dan Yaron wrote:

Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by Dan Yaron Dan Yaron wrote:

I consider it boring, and I don't consider it weird, just boring.

You like Dream Theater?

 

No way mate! If i had to choose between Magma and Dream Theatre I would choose Magma, although they cannot be compared.

I'd pick magma too, although both are pretty bad, imo.

Boy, are you narrow-minded... There are other stuff besides Genesis an Yes, do a favor to yourself and explore new orizons...

Does knowning what you like mean you are narrow-minded? If yes, I am proud to declare that I am narrow-minded =)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 17:53
Originally posted by Dan Yaron Dan Yaron wrote:

Originally posted by mirco mirco wrote:

Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:

Originally posted by Dan Yaron Dan Yaron wrote:

Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by Dan Yaron Dan Yaron wrote:

I consider it boring, and I don't consider it weird, just boring.

You like Dream Theater?

 

No way mate! If i had to choose between Magma and Dream Theatre I would choose Magma, although they cannot be compared.

I'd pick magma too, although both are pretty bad, imo.

Boy, are you narrow-minded... There are other stuff besides Genesis an Yes, do a favor to yourself and explore new orizons...

Does knowning what you like mean you are narrow-minded? If yes, I am proud to declare that I am narrow-minded =)

I agree, I know what I like, but i'l try any album once (unless its rap).

Nice to see an Israeli on the forum Dan Yaron.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 13:25
I have been listening to Kobaia (Magma's debut ) for the last three days non-stop.

sheer bloody brilliant

great musick. I'm going to listen to something else now, probably MDK,

I almost have my Magma collection complete, haven't encountered a bad album yet.

gonna play 1001 centigrades for the next couple of days now


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